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Eta_Carinae
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Message 16 of 75 (128213)
07-27-2004 10:44 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Buzsaw
07-27-2004 10:35 PM


LOL
You are speaking as an evolutionist. This change involves a supernatural overhaul/adjustment of the genes which science cannot account for.
You have no evidence of this except an appeal from your own ignorance. You are right up there as the most scientifically inept poster on any message board I have ever seen.
Your disgreements are always based upon infant like miscomceptions of science. AIG & ICR have done a great job of indoctrination. In fact, of course, you are just what they are looking for - someone who cannot figure out anything of a technical/scientific nature and just wholeheartedly swallow the BS of others looking for dupes.

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SRO2 
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Message 17 of 75 (128214)
07-27-2004 10:48 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Yaro
07-27-2004 9:50 PM


Re: nothing would rot
Corn is digestively indestructible, I have proof, but this is the one time that the scientific community doesn't seem to be interested in my evidence.

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Buzsaw
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Message 18 of 75 (128215)
07-27-2004 10:50 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Yaro
07-27-2004 9:50 PM


Re: nothing would rot
You know, according to the pre-fall logic, nothing would rot
Our digestive sistem relies on the rotting and breaking down of matter. In this process, you have to kill things. And the bacteria in you stoumach would have to die off or overpopulate and consume you!
Furthermore, fruits are alive. Just as alive as your hadn, so tearing one from a tree is essentialy killing it. Eating grass is killing it, etc.
Food for thought
It takes little thought for a sound rebut of this logic. Where in Genesis does it say or even imply that plants of the garden would not die or be eaten and that bacteria would not die? Where in Geneses, for that matter does it say brute animals would not die? True, man would not need kill animals for food, but that does not mean the animals would not die of old age. The only implication of eternal life before the fall pertained to man who, after all was created in the image of his creator, Jehovah God who was an eternal being.

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Buzsaw
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Message 19 of 75 (128216)
07-27-2004 10:55 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by SRO2
07-27-2004 10:48 PM


Re: nothing would rot
Corn is digestively indestructible, I have proof, but this is the one time that the scientific community doesn't seem to be interested in my evidence.
I had an ear for dinner today, but don't plan to save my feces for seed next year. Maybe for fertilizer. Yuk!

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Buzsaw
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Message 20 of 75 (128218)
07-27-2004 11:09 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Eta_Carinae
07-27-2004 10:44 PM


Re: LOL
You have no evidence of this except an appeal from your own ignorance. You are right up there as the most scientifically inept poster on any message board I have ever seen.
Your disgreements are always based upon infant like miscomceptions of science. AIG & ICR have done a great job of indoctrination. In fact, of course, you are just what they are looking for - someone who cannot figure out anything of a technical/scientific nature and just wholeheartedly swallow the BS of others looking for dupes.
Eta, can you spell C R E A T I O N I S T? I am a creationist who believes in a supernatural dimension in the universe and which, imo, mainline science bulligerently denies. I speak as a creationist with the understanding that there is that supernatural dimension and a creator supreme being who can do things natural science cannot explain. You and I are ideological opponents here debating from our respective viewpoints. Why is it that you think you should disrespectfully insult your counterpart whenever your counterpart on the EvC Forum debates from a creationist viewpoint? When are you ever going to grow up, Eta, and learn a little respect? Hmmm??
This message has been edited by buzsaw, 07-27-2004 10:10 PM

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Yaro
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Message 21 of 75 (128220)
07-27-2004 11:18 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Buzsaw
07-27-2004 10:50 PM


Re: nothing would rot
Hey buz,
Some folks brlive there was no death at all before the fall. That all living things were somehow imortal, and that even carnivores were vegitarians.
Thats faulty logic.

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Eta_Carinae
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Posts: 547
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Message 22 of 75 (128221)
07-27-2004 11:20 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Buzsaw
07-27-2004 11:09 PM


Re: LOL
You don't have an understanding and what manifests itself as a viewpoint is nothing but a PRATT list.
You never argue anything from a science standpoint you just stubbornly regurgitate material you have picked up of a Creationst website without giving it thought.
You'll mention something like 'decaying speed of light' without even understanding what the ramifications of such a thing.
You'll mention 'decaying magnetic field' without even knowing what a magnetic field is.
That's not a viewpoint it's an involuntary response akin to blinking.

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jar
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Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 23 of 75 (128222)
07-27-2004 11:22 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Yaro
07-27-2004 11:18 PM


Re: nothing would rot
Not that it matters much since no one has ever been able to provide any evidence that there was a fall, or eden, or serpent, or Adam, or Eve or...

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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NosyNed
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Message 24 of 75 (128223)
07-27-2004 11:23 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Eta_Carinae
07-27-2004 11:20 PM


Could you look here Eta?

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Buzsaw
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Message 25 of 75 (128224)
07-27-2004 11:24 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by doctrbill
07-27-2004 10:34 PM


Re: nothing would rot
There can be no life without death
............in the plant kingdom.

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Eta_Carinae
Member (Idle past 4374 days)
Posts: 547
From: US
Joined: 11-15-2003


Message 26 of 75 (128225)
07-27-2004 11:26 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by NosyNed
07-27-2004 11:23 PM


Re: Could you look here Eta?
OK - I'm off to bed but I'll look and see whats up.

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Buzsaw
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Message 27 of 75 (128226)
07-27-2004 11:29 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Yaro
07-27-2004 11:18 PM


Re: nothing would rot
Some folks brlive there was no death at all before the fall.
Yaro, I didn't ask what some folks believe. What matters in this debate is what does the scriptural text say?

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Yaro
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Message 28 of 75 (128228)
07-27-2004 11:36 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Buzsaw
07-27-2004 11:24 PM


Re: nothing would rot
umm... last time I checked Bacteria werent plants.
Did you know bacteria multiply by the millions every second? If they didn't die, or eat the decomposing bio-matter around them, they would litteraly smoother the world in their mass.
Like the Blob
Bacteria eat dead things, they decompose things, they ferment them. Also, another chink in the armor of the argumen.
SOME BACTERIA DONT DIE OF OLD AGE!
Thats right, many kinds of bacteria are essentialy imortal, they don't age, and don't die as a result of age. So how do you account for this?

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Buzsaw
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Message 29 of 75 (128229)
07-27-2004 11:47 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Eta_Carinae
07-27-2004 11:20 PM


Re: LOL
You don't have an understanding and what manifests itself as a viewpoint is nothing but a PRATT list.
You never argue anything from a science standpoint you just stubbornly regurgitate material you have picked up of a Creationst website without giving it thought.
Eta, I haven't done a website search in days. Do you think you have some kind of psycic powers or something? Well, if you think you do, let me assure you, you don't. Why in heck should a creationist debate from a secularistic scientific viewpoint?? If you want that, poleeeeze go and join some forum which doesn't allow creationist viewpoints expressed. Again, Eta, when, oh when, are you ever going to grow up and learn a little respect in this town???
You'll mention something like 'decaying speed of light' without even understanding what the ramifications of such a thing.
When has buzsaw ever used this phrase in debate in this forum, Eta? Please document. Put up or shut up!!
You'll mention 'decaying magnetic field' without even knowing what a magnetic field is.
Ditto. Put up or shut up, Eta!!
That's not a viewpoint it's an involuntary response akin to blinking.

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Loudmouth
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Message 30 of 75 (128230)
07-27-2004 11:55 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Buzsaw
07-27-2004 11:09 PM


Re: LOL
quote:
Eta, can you spell C R E A T I O N I S T? I am a creationist who believes in a supernatural dimension in the universe and which, imo, mainline science bulligerently denies.
The only thing mainstream science states is that supernatural mechanisms do not affect natural phenomena, not that the supernatural does not exist.
Also, in a previous post, you claimed that the dinosaurs lived up until the flood, yet you claim that they were not put onto the ark. From post #11 of this thread:
quote:
I do not agree with most creationists such as ICR who believe and teach that dinosaurs were in Noah's ark. I do believe however, that the parent prefallen dinosaurs lived very long lives and many survived until the flood which would have been about 1500 years since many humans lived nearly a thousand years.
So, the dinosaurs lived until the flood but Noah did not put them on the ark. This is in direct violation of God's orders to put everything that crept upon the earth into the Ark. So again, have you abandoned a literal interpretation? It is shocking that you can not even remain consistent with the Bible, much less scientific data. Or, given your track record, maybe it isn't that stunning.

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