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yes. cite your ridiculous claims.

i wasn't talking about rome.

And what you claim never occured. Self defense against unconditional death notwithstanding. Why not list all of history's first prize wonners for mass murder: does Israel make your list?

defense? you mean when they invaded a land and murdered almost every single people group living there? of course, it never happened, but they claim it. and then they killed their own people for not going to the temple in jerusalem. amazing.

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defense? you mean when they invaded a land and murdered almost every single people group living there? of course, it never happened, but they claim it. and then they killed their own people for not going to the temple in jerusalem. amazing.

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Which land was 'invaded'? If you mean Canaan, the only instant which involves a war and land, then yes - this was 100% self defense, and there is no 'invasion' here: one cannot be accused of 'invading' their mothers or their motherland. Where did you imagine Israel came from - Mars?Read the text you quote correctly, w/o selective omissions. The Israelites were Canaanites - born and incepted there. On their return from Egypt, Joshua made a peace offer, as mandated in the OT before any war is entered in. Two of the eight Canaanite kings sided with Joshua - affirming the veracity of Israel; six barred Israel and proclaimed a genocide. You never mentioned pivotal factors in the text, and thus concluded Israel as the guilty party here. israel had full right to be in Canaan, and had this been agreed to - all the canaanites, the Jewish and non-jewish ones, would have lived together as before.Read the text again, and the plot gets even thicker. Those six kingdoms who decreed unconditional war, were in fact not even Canaanites. These were invaders who massacred the original canaanites while Israel was in Egypt, owing to a great famine at this time. The invaders took advantage of the Canaanites being in a weakened state, thus their exaggerated rejection of Israel - it was a guilt factor hatred and refusal. Thus the text says, 'ALL THAT WAS EVIL IN THE SIGHT OF THE LORD THEY THEY DO"; "ALL THAT WAS DONE TO THE ORIGINAL INHABITANTS YOU SHALL DO UNTO THEM'. Israel only survived this gencide by being dispersed due to a famine. Israel never invaded any lands, not even when returning, and having wars, and defeating a host of nations enroute: the lands of the medianites and moabites, for example, were not taken; not a single cubit, while this could have been taken.This is a domestic war, and hardly one which negates that Israel has never invaded or occupied anyone's lands in all her 4000 history - despite being the world's most dispersed of peoples, throughout the nations. Did Israel invade and take Poland, Germany, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, India, Burma, Kashmir? Is it not the other way around? is it not a mark of desperation even to refer to a 4000 year event: clearly it is, and you have nothing else in the bag.

the bible says abraham came from ur. ur is in iraq.

None of that is democracy, IamJoseph. You need to show the chapters and verses where we see the development of the rights of the individual and the tyrrany of the monarchy. Since we're dealing with the "kingdom" of god, this may be difficult, but please try.And for the umpteenth time: It's "democracy." No "s." Is there a reason why you're persisting in the misspelling?

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Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Yes, IamJoseph. I did not ask for my health.Chapter and verse, please.

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Abram came from Ur, his ancesters were neanderthals. Israel began with Abraham's grandson, in Canaan. Now let's you track some other nation's history that way, and that they never invaded or occupied anyone's lands for 4000 years.

No, IamJoseph. There is no country that "they never invaded or occupied anyone's lands for 4000 years."

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None of that is democracy, IamJoseph.

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All of that is democracy, and you've looking at the first introduction of this concept in its embryotic form. The problem may be you, like so many other, are looking for the greek word 'DEMOCRACY' - as opposed where this concept comes from. At this time, humans in general never knew how to read and right, so one must imagine what it must be like to be confronted with such then hedy concepts, notwithstanding its inculcation was demanded with a strong arm of the law giver.

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You need to show the chapters and verses where we see the development of the rights of the individual and the tyrrany of the monarchy. Since we're dealing with the "kingdom" of god, this may be difficult, but please try.

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I did give you chapter & verse refs: the OT writ is minimalist and pristine, dispencing with complex issues in a simple stroke, with the least number of words possible consider how other controversial issues like incest, beastiality, venereal deseases are also described with few, simple words, constituting laws, but w/o loss of anything, and nothing requires adding or subtracting even 3500 later. This is best realised by writers and poets, who understand where grammar reaches its highest point - where it was introduced.Your new request is called moving the goal post some: you are now asking that the laws of democracy which I posited, has to be shown in its workings. However, I do believe I can impress you with this too, but to be fair - its your turn to show a better, earlier description of democracy.Your follow-up requirement is explained in the passage in Exodus of long queues in the desert, of the Israelites enquiring of Moses the explanation of each law as it was delivered. The answers given by Moses is what constitutes the 'oral law', which has equal status with the written one. Are you aware of these, or do you require verse and chapter?!Here, we can also see democracy and women's rights being played out for the first time on this planet, namely with 4 sisters securing their rights with Moses, who had to take their complex question to God [it was too complicated for Moses]. God sides with the women - ushering the most powerful win for women's rights on record. The first encounter of democracy also occured in the desert with the israelites, when a law was handed down concerning preists rights, and rejected by one Korach, resulting in a great battle - this was the first battle for democracy w/o using the D word.Thanks for the spellcheck.

No, IamJoseph. None of those talked about the importance of the vote and how it is a bulwark against the tyrrany of the monarchy.The rights of women is not democracy. There's nothing in democracy that says women should have the right to vote.Chapter and verse, IaJ. Where do we find the discussion of the rights of the individual and how the collective will of the people should be the guiding force?

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The mesoamerican calendar, on the other hand, goes back to the 13th century BCE, preceding the Jewish calendar by about 2000 years.

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My maths says 13C BCE is 200C post OT. Obviously, we're not on the same page of history. Do you even have proof of a written record of the Mayan of your nominated date, because I have that of the OT?Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.

The womens rights was what I stated applying to the 4 sisters; while democrasy applied with Korach. This predates the period of monarchs, which came later, even after the Judges period.

No, IamJoseph, none of that is democracy. Women's rights has nothing to do with democracy as there is nothing in democracy that says women have the right to vote.Chapter and verse regarding the vote and how it is a bulwark against the monarchy, please.