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LamarkNewAge
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Message 31 of 41 (788525)
08-01-2016 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Phat
08-01-2016 4:35 AM


Pray For Whom? ANSWER: Those who need help the most.
quote:
Pray for Donald Trump. And if you are a believer, pray also for Hillary Clinton. Logic dictates that one of them will be the next President, and if you are thanking God for only one of them you are not only worshiping the wrong God, you are insulting the right One.
I thought I was expressing thanks for something.
Look at a story I just saw in Ohio.
Donald Trump has a 60% negative rating, so he should be clobbered, right? Well, no. It turns out that Hillary is at 60% negatives too. See story here
Ohio voters don't like Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump. Now what?
It seems that people feel as if they need a miracle to get good policy. Perhaps we should pray that our leaders find a common sense, peaceful, and sensible solution to the world's problems instead of war?
That fact alone seems to be keeping Trump in the game.
Look at the crap Trump is taking for mentioning that the people of Crimea feel threatened by the Ukraine government, and not Russia. Telling the truth, in the spirit of peaceful solutions to problems, gets Trump blasted.
Look at the recent headlines.
...........
Donald Trump Suggests US Should Accept Russia's Annexation of ...
Fortune-9 hours ago
Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump is suggesting the U.S. accept Russia's annexation of Crimea if it would lead to better relations ...
Trump says Putin is 'not going to go into Ukraine,' despite Crimea
CNN-4 hours ago
'Dangerous outcast': Ukraine minister blasts Trump for saying ...
International-RT-11 hours ago
Donald Trump Gives Questionable Explanation of Events in Ukraine
In-Depth-New York Times-22 hours ago
Donald Trump ridiculed after insisting Vladimir Putin 'not going into ...
Opinion-The Independent-7 hours ago
Gen. Hayden: Trump's comments on Putin and Crimea "devoid of ...
In-Depth-CBS News-5 hours ago
t Appears Donald Trump Doesn't Know About The Crimea ...
Huffington Post-Jul 31, 2016
Donald Trump appears either unfamiliar with Russia's annexation of Crimea or directly supportive of the intrusion that began in the winter of ...
Trump to consider recognizing Russian control of Crimea
USA TODAY-Jul 31, 2016
Trump may consider recognition of Crimea as part of Russia
International-TASS-Jul 27, 2016
The other remarkable, pro-Russia thing that Donald Trump just said
Opinion-STLtoday.com-Jul 27, 2016
Clinton blames Russia for DNC hack as Trump seems to back annex ...
In-Depth-The Guardian-Jul 31, 2016
What Is Donald Trump Even Saying About Ukraine?
Blog-Slate Magazine (blog)-Jul 31, 2016
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This is what causes me to say that the people of the world need the prayer. Hillary Clinton and the mass media really can't find a peaceful solution to this crisis in Russia/Ukraine?
Why not let Crimea join Russia, and let that be the buffer Russia wants to avoid (or help mitigate) yet another invasion from the west?
Then let the western part of Ukraine join the E.U.?
What is so difficult about that?
I still remember the war-dumb-beat from last decade over the Russia/Georgia issue. Russia was so "evil" and we needed to go to war against Russia to "help the Georgians". But interviewing the Georgians in the conflict zone showed the people saying that they were fleeing the Georgian aggression and not the Russian troops!
Same thing as today with the Ukraine.
Why can't we just let the people decide to join the European Union or let the people join a greater Russia (or at least let them be independent)?
These ethnic Russian regions of nations need to be allowed to split off for now, then in a more peaceful future perhaps there can be a unification with the E.U.
Why can't Hillary Clinton and her supporters find a peaceful spirit within their hearts in order that we all can live in a peaceful world with greater opportunities for prosperity? (regardless of the answer to that one, we do, however, get an answer to the question of why Hillary smells like urine gravy over mashed pig poop potatoes among the 50 "united" States at large)
I pray for the peace of ALL the people on earth, and will be thankful when the warmongers get some highly-publicized challenges to their endless(once unmitigated) & mind-poisoning propaganda. Thank God for Donald Trump! (I didn't even mention the fact that he seems to really want peace in Syria too instead of endless war)

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frako
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Message 32 of 41 (788539)
08-01-2016 7:15 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by LamarkNewAge
08-01-2016 3:49 PM


Re: Pray For Whom? ANSWER: Those who need help the most.
Well americans have been brainwashed to think of death, ditcatorship, agressor, bully, evil, when they hear the word Russia. Turning russia in to the perfect boogeyman from witch the world and americans need protection from and only the elites can provide you with that protection.
Im not saing the whole Crimea situation could not have been handled better, but technically there was a referendum and they voted to join russia so democracy FTW.
But from russias perspective the real agressor is NATO ie america and its friends. Just a few weeks ago nato placed more troops in russia bordering countries. What would america do if russia placed 5000 troops on cuba, or a nuclear missle defense shield, or if canada joined a russian version of the EU....

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 33 of 41 (788540)
08-01-2016 7:16 PM


A 4 letter word to Hillary supporters.Consider yourselves warned! P-E-A-C-E (4?)
Even ant--Putin Bloomberg News, despite itself admits that Putin didn't want to invade the Ukraine and cause bloodshed when it said, "Yet Putin didn't do any of that. He didn't want to invade the rest of Ukraine and deal with the momentous international consequences. He only wanted Crimea, the Russian navy base populated mainly by pro-Moscow Russian speakers"
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
Let's see what the people want.
There is a radical concept.
quote:
The official result from the Autonomous Republic of Crimea was a 96.77 percent vote for integration of the region into the Russian Federation with an 83.1 percent voter turnout. The survey's intention was to probe the satisfaction of Crimean residents in their decision to reunify with Russia, rather than re-identify with Ukraine. The survey found that 82% of Crimeans "fully endorse" Crimea's secession from Ukraine and joining the Russian federation, and that 11% of Crimeans "mostly endorse" Crimea's secession from Ukraine and joining the Russian federation, while just 7% "disapprove" of Crimea's secession from Ukraine and joining the Russian federation. In the USA, the results of the GfK survey were reported by Bloomberg.[42]
....
second post-referendum survey, commissioned by John O’Loughlin, College Professor of Distinction and Professor of Geography at the University of Colorado in Boulder, and Gerard Toal (Gearid — Tuathail), Professor of Government and International Affairs at Virginia Tech’s National Capital Region campus, was conducted during December 2014 by the Levada-Center, and published in Open Democracy on March 3, 2015. ...Overall, the survey found that 84% of Crimeans felt that the choice to secede fro Ukraine and accede to Russia was "Absolutely the right decision."
....
According to survey carried out by Pew Research Center in April 2014, majority of Crimean residents say the referendum was free and fair (91%) and that the government in Kyiv ought to recognize the results of the vote (88%).[153]
2014 Crimean status referendum - Wikipedia
Gee, what would a person looking for practical solutions to the problems seem to notice?
Light bulb moment here for all looking for prudent ideas to help make peace.
Think real hard now (sarcasm).
quote:
During the ABC interview, Stephanopoulos interjected to note that Trump has suggested he could recognize Russia's claim on Crimea over Ukraine's -- and Trump didn't back away from that possibility in the interview.
"I'm going to take a look at it," he said. "But you know, the people of Crimea, from what I've heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were. And you have to look at that, ...
....
The Clinton campaign responded later Sunday, with senior policy adviser Jake Sullivan saying... "Today, (Trump) gamely repeated Putin's argument that Russia was justified in seizing the sovereign territory of another country by force. This is scary stuff," Sullivan said in a statement.
Donald Trump says Vladimir Putin is 'not going to go into Ukraine,' despite Crimea | CNN Politics
Scary stuff indeed. Scary that we are probably going to vote for Hillary.
Look at the Pew study. Only 67% of all Ukrainians say that Russia is having a bad influence over Ukraine.
"Three times as many Ukrainians say Russia is having a bad influence on their country as say it is having a good impact (67% vs. 22%). At the same time, overall confidence in Putin’s handling of world affairs has plummeted from 56% in 2007 to 23% today."
"Crimean residents are almost universally positive toward Russia. At least nine-in-ten have confidence in Putin (93%) and say Russia is playing a positive role in Crimea (92%). Confidence in Obama is almost negligible at 4%, and just 2% think the U.S. is having a good influence on the way things are going on the Crimean peninsula."
Despite Concerns about Governance, Ukrainians Want to Remain One Country | Pew Research Center
If Putin is so evil then why are 33% of all Ukrainians either positive or unsure about Russian activities on their country?
Even among the 67% with negative views (and remember we are talking about all Ukrainians, not just ethnic Russians), we Americans know that there are various shades of "negative" ratings. We BETTER know with Trump and Hillary being our choices for President. I would type "lol" but this warmongering over Russia and Ukraine is really really scary. The American foreign policy elite are really scary. A terrifying group of warmongers have caused us to believe their dangerous propaganda.
Wake up all!
There is an attempt to mislead us into supporting war.
It is real scary.

  
DrJones*
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Message 34 of 41 (788563)
08-02-2016 10:08 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by LamarkNewAge
08-01-2016 3:49 PM


Re: Pray For Whom? ANSWER: Those who need help the most.
Why not let Crimea join Russia, and let that be the buffer Russia wants to avoid (or help mitigate) yet another invasion from the west?
yes that way we'll have peace in our time

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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LamarkNewAge
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Posts: 2236
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Message 35 of 41 (788570)
08-02-2016 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by DrJones*
08-02-2016 10:08 AM


Re: Pray For Whom? ANSWER: Those who need help the most.
quote:
yes that way we'll have peace in our time
I havn't been able to keep up with all the developments, but is it still a fact that Russian hasn't sent in any troops?
It was that way for the longest time anyway.
It was ethnic Russians who decided they wanted to be independent, then the Ukrainian military unleashed a brutal crackdown.
Has Russia actually done anything yet?
"in our time" might just be reflective of the future.
A land invasion will be impossible with military technology the way it is today. Nobody can cross NATO protected borders. The lines today really mean something. It isn't the Sudetenland all over again. It isn't World War 2 Poland all over again. Poland is part of NATO and Russia can't invade (nor does it want to).
The "peace in our time" omen should cause us to fear the western military power NATO as more of a parallel to WW2 era Germany than today's Russia. NATO is the power that invades others, and in other continents. Russia only seems to be involved (and not even militarily?) when the democratic wishes of ethnic Russians aren't met with anything but deadly crackdowns cum (Ukrainian government operated) bombings.
The question should be if the western media spouted propaganda is just a bunch of lies like the "peace in our time" suggestion from the western powers during World War 2. Thanks to Oliver Stone (and his Showtime documentary) we now see how fraudulent the western powers were, when they were arming Hitler to the teeth and while brutally sanctioning the average German people from being able to support and feed themselves. Germany was crushed economically, but the weapons managed to make it due to massive $$$ from the west for weapons and weapons alone. Stone didn't talk about the Paris stand down by fascists running the French military (I didn't see the documentary though, so it might have been in there).
Regardless, Russia isn't a parallel to World War 2 Germany, despite the endless propaganda by Wesley Clark and others.

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DrJones*
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Joined: 08-19-2004
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Message 36 of 41 (788584)
08-02-2016 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by LamarkNewAge
08-02-2016 10:57 AM


Re: Pray For Whom? ANSWER: Those who need help the most.
I havn't been able to keep up with all the developments, but is it still a fact that Russian hasn't sent in any troops?
Russian troops have been in the Crimea from the start. Look up "Little green men"
Has Russia actually done anything yet?
Besides annex the soveriegn territory of another country?
The "peace in our time" omen should cause us to fear the western military power NATO as more of a parallel to WW2 era Germany than today's Russia
Cause NATO has annexed the sovereign territory of another country?
Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 37 of 41 (788588)
08-02-2016 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by DrJones*
08-02-2016 11:41 AM


Re: Pray For Whom? ANSWER: Those who need help the most.
NATO didn't invade Africa and overthrow a leader.
Honest.
(fingers crossed)

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DrJones*
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Message 38 of 41 (788589)
08-02-2016 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by LamarkNewAge
08-02-2016 11:56 AM


Re: Pray For Whom? ANSWER: Those who need help the most.
Yeah NATO's intervention in Libya lead to the overthrow of Qaddafi, though nowhere along the way did they say "Libya is now part of [insert NATO member Here]". NATO did not annex Libya as Russia has done with the Crimea

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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LamarkNewAge
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Joined: 12-22-2015


Message 39 of 41 (788592)
08-02-2016 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by DrJones*
08-02-2016 12:08 PM


Re: Pray For Whom? ANSWER: Those who need help the most.
It's interesting to hear that NATO induced bloodshed is o.k., Ukrainian government induced bloodshed is o.k., but the democratic wishes of the people of Crimea are a terrible thing.
Russia has "little green men" in an area that ethnic Russians live.
Let the militaristic crackdown on Crimea (by Ukraine) begin AND LAST until they abandon their democratic thoughts and processes.
Nice logic.

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DrJones*
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From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Joined: 08-19-2004
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Message 40 of 41 (788594)
08-02-2016 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by LamarkNewAge
08-02-2016 12:31 PM


Re: Pray For Whom? ANSWER: Those who need help the most.
It's interesting to hear that NATO induced bloodshed is o.k., Ukrainian government induced bloodshed is o.k.,
I never said those things were ok
Russia has "little green men" in an area that ethnic Russians live.
Said area is the sovereign territory of another nation

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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frako
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Message 41 of 41 (788597)
08-02-2016 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by DrJones*
08-02-2016 12:47 PM


Re: Pray For Whom? ANSWER: Those who need help the most.
Said area is the sovereign territory of another nation
Yea and crimea was freed from the oppressive regime of the illegitimate CIA imposed Ukrainian government. Russians where only spreading goodwill freedom and democracy just like Americans do all the time.
Edited by frako, : No reason given.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

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