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Rrhain
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Message 61 of 65 (57449)
09-24-2003 7:11 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by John
09-24-2003 12:51 AM


John writes:
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But had Adam not let sin into the world
But Adam didn't sin. He was innocent. Since he hadn't eaten from the Tree of Knowledge, he had no idea that eating from the Tree of Knowledge was a sin. Sin requires knowledge of right and wrong and making the deliberate choice to do what you know to be wrong. Since Adam didn't know good and evil, he couldn't possibly sin.
Now, what Adam and Eve did after they ate from the Tree, well, that isn't mentioned. But the eating from the Tree wasn't a sin because neither Adam nor Eve had eaten from the Tree yet and thus, they didn't know what they were doing.
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Message 62 of 65 (60221)
10-09-2003 2:33 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by Rrhain
09-24-2003 7:11 AM


maybe..
I understand what you are saying, eating the fruit may of not been "the sin" but isnt disobeying God a sin? so therefore, Adam and Eve did in fact sin, the fact that he ate from the tree is not as relevant(for this point) as the fact that he did what was right in his eyes, and not what was right in the eyes of God.

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Rrhain
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Message 63 of 65 (60320)
10-09-2003 5:43 PM
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10-09-2003 2:33 AM


Re: maybe..
Pringlesguy7 responds to me:
quote:
isnt disobeying God a sin?
Not if you don't know what you're doing.
Adam and Eve hadn't eaten from the Tree of Knowledge, yet, therefore they didn't know what they were doing when they ate from the Tree of Knowledge.
Let me remind you of this verse:
Genesis 2:25: And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
And what is the first thing Adam and Eve panic over when they do eat from the Tree? Is it, "Oh, no! We ate from the Tree!" No, the very first thing they panic over is the fact that they're naked.
So being naked is a sin and Adam and Eve didn't know they were committing it...and god didn't care.
So why all the fuss over the Tree?
quote:
Adam and Eve did in fact sin
No, they didn't. They couldn't. They didn't understand the difference between good and evil and thus were incapable of sinning since sin requires comprehension of what you're doing.
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he did what was right in his eyes, and not what was right in the eyes of God.
How could he do "what was right" in anybody's eyes when he didn't know what "right" was?
That's the big problem with Genesis 3: It assumes that Adam and Eve understood right and wrong *before* they ate from the Tree and gained the ability to understand right and wrong.
If you have a delicate Mhing vase, you don't leave it on a wobbly pedestal with a toddler in the room. No matter how much you tell the toddler not to touch, he doesn't understand.
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John
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Message 64 of 65 (60380)
10-10-2003 1:53 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by Rrhain
10-09-2003 5:43 PM


Re: maybe..
I don't have a problem saying that Adam and Eve sinned. I guess I am thinking of sin as a very simple "not doing what you are told." The problem is whether it was just and fair to hold them responsible seeing as how they really couldn't have had a clue.
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Brad McFall
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Message 65 of 65 (75525)
12-28-2003 11:42 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Rei
09-16-2003 4:18 PM


Re: And...
The explantory and interpretive theoretical backings would not be as mixed up. I expand and explain later.

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