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You say waterboarding is about revenge. That sounds to me like the usual PC attack on your opponent's motives. Nobody should judge others' motives but that's what leftist PC does, and the whole point of it is to intimidate and silence people you disagree with. This is the main thrust of my posts here. I'm not going to judge waterboarding because I'm so put out at people who criticize defenders of it on PC grounds.As I said, waterboarding may not be a good idea but I'm sick of leftists branding their opponents as morally inferior to their own perfect selves as defined by Cultural Marxist PC, and branding someone who would defend it as morally evil. Leave people alone, stick to the facts. There is no reason whatever to impute a motive of revenge to a defender of waterboarding. THAT's the evil thing.And stop making Jesus Christ the author of your corrupt PC morality.

If the fact is that an act is morally evil should that not be pointed out?

That's a lie. Trump didn't say all illegal immigrants are rapists and you are just joining in the witchhunt by saying such a thing.And PC just loves imputing motives to your opponents: "perceived as having some utility." Golly, you're so perfect aren't you, your motives are pure but anyone who is for something you disagree with is morally reprehensible. It's fine to point out that there are other categories of immigration violators that seem to be overlooked but leave your evil PC moralisms out of it. BUT: if it were true that the other violators DO "have some utility" and the others don't, what would be wrong with that as an argument anyway? It should be an argument, though, not a silently tolerated illegality.\I'm for sending back ALL violators of our immigration laws.

Yes, but that's not what is being done here. You are all attacking people for their opinions that they clearly do not see as morally evil. You have to prove the moral evil first. Argue the facts not the person. Meanwhile, violating our immigration laws IS morally evil but you're willing to give those violators a free pass, excuse it all on the grounds that they do menial jobs for us, but mainly because they are members of a "victim" group that PC adores, whereas a loudmouthed billionaire is by PC definition the bad guy. Cuz PC is Marxist and Marxism hates anybody with wealth. Except the Marxists who are wealthy of course.There are things about Trump that make me cringe, but I do have to say that I'm pleased to see someone with the ability to scream down political correctness. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Do morally evil people believe their actions are morally evil?How is violating an immigration law morally evil? How is hoping to build a better life for a family morally evil?

Do try to read in context. Yes it's the same Jesus. He hasn't yet come in vengeance because right now we are in the dispensation of salvation which is given to us so we don't have to suffer the vengeance.Which eventually comes against us for NOT loving God, neighbor and enemy, and for NOT being meek and peacemakers. There's no difference in the message. Live by kindness and mercy and with faith that Jesus Christ's sacrifice saves us from the punishment we richly deserve because of our LACK of love and mercy and you'll be saved just as the Israelites were passed over by the angel of death because they had the blood of the lamb on their doorposts, which is a picture of God's mercy to us.But you insist on judging God by your puny ideas of love and mercy.

Judge the actions, not the people. I try to avoid calling PEOPLE morally evil because we're ALL sinners. One thing Christianity did give us is a standard of charity toward other people, and that is what is being violated by political correctness which vilifies people for motives that are imputed to them by their enemies. PC is the cause of all the political polarization in this country as it gives license to judge your neighbor's innermost being, and empowers the state to punish mere opinions, such as the opinion that gay marriage is wrong. If you're going to apply the teachings of Jesus Christ in this discussion, apply the one that says not to judge / meaning condemn, others. ''=Sure, jar, it's perfectly morally right to violate any old law you want, if it interferes with your idea of building yourself a better life, right? Who needs the rule of law anyway? Let's have anarchy and do as we please including robbing people because we believe we need what they have for our better life or just don't like the laws against robbery and so on.Gosh, I'm sure the mafia are also trying to build a better life for their families, and don't all evil tyrants have the motive of building a better life for their citizens and making a better world by killing everybody who disagrees with their vision? Golly gee, there are LAWS that have to be obeyed for HOW you go about "building a better life," and it's hard to believe a grownup person in the 21st century would make such a pathetic moral argument as you are making. Blech.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Woweee kerzowie. "Nobody should judge another's motives and I'm judging other's motives." In one sentence. That has to be some kind of record for self-ignorance.Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

Dunning-Kruger.

Learn English Faith.Moral and legal are not synonyms. Something that is illegal has nothing to do with whether it is moral. Often the moral act is to disobey immoral laws. The solution to illegal immigrants is to find a way they can be legal immigrants.

No I am not judging people's MOTIVES, I'm judging the evil philosophy of PC which is license to judge people's motives. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Sometimes this is true. So now you are arguing that our immigration laws are immoral? And you don't give a damn if others disagree with you about that, you'd just let people violate them with impunity on the basis of your own opinion about them? Gosh, what deep moral thinking there. And you are entitled to that opinion, but you are NOT entitled to justify violating the immigration laws because YOU think they are immoral, against the people who disagree with you, or force your will on those who disagree with you, which is what the Left keeps doing, and justifies by morally condemning those who disagree just because they disagree.

Yes I get your point. But go read the essay by Bill Lind to see that PC does have this effect because it is a species of thought control. How does one debate an argument that is basically an attack on your right to think a certain way? It's a pernicious doctrine of totalitarian tyranny.Here's the essay, The Origins of Political CorrectnessABE: Saying that the purpose of PC is to intimidate and silence people is not the same thing as saying that individuals have that motive and I've never said anything like that. You've all just bought into this scurrilous philosophy because it's what left-poisoned professors told you and in fact YOU'VE effectively been intimidated into silence by it since you all just parrot it without thinking. If I were to guess at your motives it's that calling others morally deficient makes you feel superior.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.