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Panda Member (Idle past 3739 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Dr Adequate writes:
As a drinker of lemonade I'll give it a go...
But a habitual drinker of pink lemonade would find such questions equally difficult to answer. Is it the taste?Yes. I like the sharp taste of lemons, slightly tempered by the sweet taste of sugar. Is it the smell? Not particularly. The smell is ok, but I tend to ignore it. Is it the feeling?Yes. I like the clean feeling that my mouth experiences. I find the drink very refreshing, especially on a hot day.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 310 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
But your challenge was to describe the taste and smell. Now you've shifted the goalposts. By the new rules, it is easy for a smoker to meet your new challenge: all he has to say is "I like the taste and the smell". Or not. Apparently he doesn't even have to like the smell. All he has to say is: "I like the sharp taste of tobacco", and he's done.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3739 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Dr Adequate writes:
Are you having an 'off' day? But your challenge was to describe the taste and smell. Now you've shifted the goalposts. By the new rules, it is easy for a smoker to meet your new challenge: all he has to say is "I like the taste and the smell". Or not. Apparently he doesn't even have to like the smell. All he has to say is: "I like the sharp taste of tobacco", and he's done.I have seen you displaying better comprehension. 'Sharp' and 'sweet' are both descriptions of taste.'Clean' and 'refreshing' are both descriptions of feelings. If you think I want some scientifically measured quantity of taste then you are wrong.All I asked for (and all I gave as an example) were very every-day descriptions of taste, smell, etc.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 310 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
'Sharp' and 'sweet' are both descriptions of taste. 'Clean' and 'refreshing' are both descriptions of feelings. If you think I want some scientifically measured quantity of taste then you are wrong.All I asked for (and all I gave as an example) were very every-day descriptions of taste, smell, etc. Then if someone told you that cigarette smoke does taste sharp and does not taste sweet, he would apparently have done all that you now require. What that would prove about smoking is becoming ever more obscure, but certainly any smoker could describe the taste of cigarette smoke to that degree of accuracy.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3739 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Dr Adequate writes:
I did not mean to imply that the questions were impossible to answer. What that would prove about smoking is becoming ever more obscure, but certainly any smoker could describe the taste of cigarette smoke to that degree of accuracy.The questions weren't rhetorical. Maybe a smoker will answer those questions and then it will all become clearer... For an extra point: get a smoker to not smoke for a couple of days and then describe what is enjoyable about their next cigarette.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2977 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Do I have to explain to you that cigars and cigarettes are not the same? Really? No, but if you were ONLY talking about cigarettes then you should have been specific, but you weren't. You said:
Panda writes: But caffeine and nicotine* offer little more than addiction. Were in that does it indicate that you were only talking about cigarettes?
Could you please be specific about which 'things' you are referring to? Taste and Aroma from many different tobacco products. They're also enjoyed when paired with food or drinks.
Marketing and addiction, eh? They are as clever as BAT. Can you be specific as to how it's addiction? Are you saying that anyone who has coffee a few times a week because they enjoy the taste and the experience in a coffee shop is addicted? Would you say the same thing about someone who has a glass of wine in a wine-bar a few times a week for the taste and the experience in the wine-bar?
Better tasting brands? Not 'nice tasting', but 'better' tasting?
No, I meant better. If you smoke you know what's better and what's shit. There are some very well blended cigarettes these days that are better than the very cheap brands as far as taste goes. Just like with scotch. A real scotch drinker will tell you which is better.
Preferred brand? Yes, based on which cigarettes taste the least offensive and/or have the best advertising. Least offensive? Would you say the same about scotch? If not, why not? Advertising? I don't think I have seen a cigarette advertisment in a long while. - Oni
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Panda Member (Idle past 3739 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
onifre writes:
If they experience difficulty stopping, then yes. Can you be specific as to how it's addiction? Are you saying that anyone who has coffee a few times a week because they enjoy the taste and the experience in a coffee shop is addicted? Would you say the same thing about someone who has a glass of wine in a wine-bar a few times a week for the taste and the experience in the wine-bar?It is all releated to the definition of addiction. Strange that. The bar scenario could be Social Alcoholism. onifre writes:
Better tasting brands? Not 'nice tasting', but 'better' tasting?
Panda writes:
No, I meant better. If you smoke you know what's better and what's shit. There are some very well blended cigarettes these days that are better than the very cheap brands as far as taste goes. Better tasting brands? Not 'nice tasting', but 'better' tasting? onifre writes:
I would not say that same about scotch, as I have little knowledge of scotch.
Least offensive? Would you say the same about scotch? If not, why not? onifre writes:
You probably haven't changed your brand in a long while either. Advertising? I don't think I have seen a cigarette advertisment in a long while. (In 2006 they spent $12 billion on advertising. I can't find out how much they are currently spending.)
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1493 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
These effects are from single use. Tolerence to caffeine is rapid. And easily lost. Symptoms of caffeine withdrawal are mild at worst and unnoticeable at best. It's practically the perfect drug, which is why it's in so many different things.
Are you saying that people enjoy smoking because of the weight loss? I think they enjoy it for the flavor, for the ritual, for the companionship (smokers typically smoke socially), and for the buzz. You didn't ask why they enjoy it, though; you asked what those drugs offer us.
This seems to be a rant aimed at me, but unconnected to anything I have said. I can't even see what the point is you're trying to make. If you can't understand simple sentences rendered in English, maybe you shouldn't make accusations about your opponents' ability to read?
Please try again. Why bother? You admitted you can't understand English. Sorry, I thought I was talking to someone interested in discussion. I'll go find a more rewarding use of my time.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2977 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
It is all releated to the definition of addiction. Strange that. That's why I asked you to be specific as to how it's an addiction. If you're saying that someone is addicted because of the social atmosphere, then it has nothing to do with the caffeine, and you're using "addiction" very loosely. They could just be bored at home, lonely, and need to socialize. If the social atmosphere in a coffee shop has that affect then how is that a negative or an addiction?
Better tasting brands? Not 'nice tasting', but 'better' tasting? Umm, yup.
I would not say that same about scotch, as I have little knowledge of scotch. Ok, wine, steak, beer, cigars, cheese - pick one, then answer the same question. Least offensive? Would you say the same about ______? If not, why not?
You probably haven't changed your brand in a long while either. Actually I have changed brands 3 times. - Oni
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3988 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.0
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I'd like to say a few nice words about nicotine.
First, as Wiki notes and crash refers to in passing ("the buzz"), nicotine offers the user a large palette of useful and pleasurable effects--I've broken up paragraphs for emphasis:
quote: Also, the positive impact of nicotine on cognitive function is considerable and well-established (bold emphasis added):
quote: Nicotine is pleasurable. Nicotine helps you work with greater focus, greater alertness, and an improved working memory. Nicotine is a stimulant for work, and a relaxant at rest. Nicotine dulls pain. The beneficial cognitive effects of nicotine are persistent. These are effects well supported by clinical research, not a smoker's impression. I have used nicotine patches to assist in rush, "all-nighter" projects. I rarely smoke cigarettes now, but I occasionally do smoke with great pleasure, especially with a good single malt scotch. The rational project, it seems to me, is to perfect modes of delivery that satisfy the user while protecting his health. I harbor no doubts that deeply inhaling burning vegetation is pernicious--that's why, like many other cannabis enthusiasts, I rely on vaporizers and ingestion. Tea, anyone? I believe this applies universally to drugs of all kinds--but cognitive liberty is a topic for another thread. Dost thou prate, rogue? -Cassio Real things always push back.-William James
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frako Member (Idle past 332 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
The problem whit drugs is their addictevnes, a cup of coffee now and then does not hurt, a cig once in a while does not hurt either, the same could be said for almost all drugs.in some cases lots of drugs would be benifitial to us and our bodies do to their stress releaving factors and similar. The problem comes from when we start to use these and other drugs on a regular basis, a cup of coffee in the morning whit a cupple of cigs, soon we start using them because the body wants them cause it is so used to them that it is hard for it to function whitout them. And that is where we get hooked we do not smoke cause of stress release but because the stress would increase if we would stop, we dont drink coffe to be more awake we drink it to get awake in the morning.
The same goes for all addictive hard drugs too you do not put a needle of H in your vain cause you want to be addicted you want to feel good and pretty soon you do it cause you do not want to feel bad. There are some exceptions in the drug world that do not come whit a phisycal addiction like canabis though canabis often comes whit a so called psyhical addiction though that never hapend to me. I smoked a lot of pot (a lot as in insanely lots) when i was 15-18, and i still smoke form time to time and never had any problems stopping i can, and often do, go for months whitout a smoke whit no problem, while i cant go for hours whitout a cig, or coffee. As for the topic drugs are for everyonei agree i think all drugs should be legal whit limitations Reasons it would put a huge hole in the profits of drug lords.The taxses off them could pe put to good use. More controle what gets put in the drugs. And if you want to screw up your life whit hard drugs the fact that they are illegal will not stop you. The limitations i would suggestAge Loccation of drug shops. Standards and regular testing of the product. For the hard drugs application forums and cards so that their drug use can be monitored. Records of all drugs that came in and when out of the shop and more.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 310 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
For an extra point: get a smoker to not smoke for a couple of days and then describe what is enjoyable about their next cigarette. I have a fag or two every month or so and sometimes they can really hit the spot; tasting very smooth and gentle but but other times (like when I'm sober) they are metallic and harsh and I don't finish them. It varies.
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frako Member (Idle past 332 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
I have a fag or two every month ???????? edit:im guessing you are talking about cigaretes and not gay people rofl if i lived in the uk i would have stopped smoking a long time ago almost 10 EUR for a a pack of cigs. I almost threw them back in the sellers face, if it hadnt been my last day in the uk i would have stopped smoking right there and then. Edited by frako, : No reason given.
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nwr Member Posts: 6411 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Larni writes: I have a fag or two every month frako writes:
I didn't even notice a problem with that. I guess that's due to originally coming from Australia, where "fag" is routinely used to refer to a cigarette. And, if I remember correctly, it was also used to refer to high school freshmen.
im guessing you are talking about cigaretes and not gay people rofl
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