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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9 |
Landowners Inside FBI Perimeter: 'We’re Psychologically Exhausted'
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1404 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hopefully they'll round up the last 4 without incident. They can coral them in a small area and wait them out or pick them up one by one.
Shut off their access to phones and internet and visitors. And watch them with drones 24/7 ... by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1404 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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The FBI releases video of LaVoy Finicum's fatal confrontation with law enforcement to dispel rumors
The FBI has released video tonight of the shooting death of LaVoy Finicum to dispel any rumors that he had had his hands up and was trying to surrender to police. The FBI’s Special Agent in Charge Gregory T. Bretzing held a press conference to explain the events surrounding the arrest of Ammon Bundy (and others), along with the fatal shooting of LaVoy Finicum. Finicum can be seen running from the initial stop in his pick-up truck, with passengers Ryan Payne, Shawna Cox and a woman the FBI declined to identify. The video was captured by aerial camera and shows Finicum driving into a snow back, barely missing a law enforcement officer. He immediately jumped from the vehicle, at first with his hands up as he yelled at law enforcement, but then clearly reaching into his pocket multiple times, where the FBI says he did have a gun (update: a loaded 9 mm semi-automatic handgun.) The video can be viewed below, with key parts from 8:00 to 9:35 mark (graphic content): [/quote] And starting at the 8 minute mark when Finicum drives off from the traffic stop (preceding video is rather boring):
He puts his hands down and reaches into his pockets before being shot. Nuff said. Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1404 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Where should the militias make their next stand?
The short answer is that they shouldn't, but it would be difficult to convince them that they are delusional, so
quote: And you have to be relatively stupid, imho, to create a stand-off situation for petulant reasons.
quote: To me it looks like the militia "movement" is just an excuse to walk around with big guns and play war games, looking for some excuse to create a standoff but in the end not achieving a single thing of note. They -- and the closely related "open carry" nuts -- may achieve one thing in the end ... ironically: the banning of assault/war weapons to protect people from this insanity. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9
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To me it looks like the militia "movement" is just an excuse to walk around with big guns and play war games, looking for some excuse to create a standoff but in the end not achieving a single thing of note. Protest over Finicum death rolls through Burns3% of Idaho planning a protest in Burns on Monday What would really be ironic is a shoot out between the gun nuts waving the American flag and those waving confederate flag.
. Sadly, The dimwits are aligned with the right-wingnut politicians and the land and wildlife will suffer. Op-ed: Public Lands Initiative takes an Oregon-standoff approach to grazing quote: quote: . The one positive result from the standoff is that more than $100,000 has been raised for causes that the Bundyites and Bubbas hate. Getting Occupiers of the Historic Oregon Malheur Evicted - G.O.H.O.M.E. Friends of Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, Americans for Responsible Solutions, Burns Paiute Tribe, and Southern Poverty Law Center.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Where should the militias make their next stand? Leavenworth.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
On the video, there were enough cops and guns in the area for protection. Why did it take almost 10 minuets before anyone went to Finicum? I realize the other fools were still in the truck but, my god, they're cops. You shoot someone aren't you supposed to at least try to render some assistance? Or was this supposed to be a shoot-to-kill?
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9
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Where should the militias make their next stand?
Leavenworth.
I'm still in favor of Guantanamo.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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That brings up another question. I hadn't heard anyone say whether any charges will be brought under The Patriot Act?
Title VIII: "dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State" and are intended to "intimidate or coerce a civilian population," "influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion," Via Wiki Would be most appropriate in this case. The penalties, I think, are a bit stiffer than "interference with a federal officer in the performance of his duties" and "unauthorized use of federal facilities" I keep hearing about. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9 |
You shoot someone aren't you supposed to at least try to render some assistance? Or was this supposed to be a shoot-to-kill? Maybe it was obvious he was dead. So far I don't think there have been any reports of how many times he was shot or where he was hit. ABE: I have also been wondering if there were body cam videos of the shooting? Maybe those are too graphic or they are withholding them for any trials. Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member
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He puts his hands down and reaches into his pockets before being shot. Nuff said. He reached twice, and given the fact that they were known to be armed and known to be hostile is pretty much a guaranteed death sentence if you make any sudden movements like he displayed. All kinds of Sovereign Citizen types are claiming that it was a "murder," which is, of course, a ridiculous allegation given the evidence. "Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member
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They -- and the closely related "open carry" nuts -- may achieve one thing in the end ... ironically: the banning of assault/war weapons to protect people from this insanity. That's what I've been trying to convince them of. They are an even bigger threat to gun rights than even the strictest gun control advocate. "Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
On the video, there were enough cops and guns in the area for protection. Why did it take almost 10 minuets before anyone went to Finicum? I realize the other fools were still in the truck but, my god, they're cops. You shoot someone aren't you supposed to at least try to render some assistance? Or was this supposed to be a shoot-to-kill? Yes, certainly, but not until the scene is safe. The vehicles hadn't been cleared yet of other threats and I'm willing to bet the FBI entertained the notion that the militants could have been baiting them to the vehicle which may have been rigged with explosives. "Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member
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Maybe it was obvious he was dead. So far I don't think there have been any reports of how many times he was shot or where he was hit. ABE: I have also been wondering if there were body cam videos of the shooting? Maybe those are too graphic or they are withholding them for any trials. Possibly. But it seems obvious that they wanted that drone footage released immediately to dispel any rumors of misconduct on the part of the Feds. The images speak for themselves. "Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1404 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Oops ... Daddy Bundy busted ...
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