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wj
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Message 16 of 66 (39129)
05-06-2003 7:38 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by mike the wiz
05-06-2003 7:26 PM


quote:
can you please give me one reason to believe in evolution ?, just one ,make it the best reason you can think of.
I like the distribution pattern of GLO pseudogenes amongst mammals. Refer to message #13 on the Booboocruise's Dissolvable Best Evidence thread. It was given in response to a similar challenge from Booboo.
See if you can provide a better creationist explanation (other than goddunit) than Booboo has so far done. And please respond on that thread so that this thread is not unnecessarily sidetracked.

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Message 17 of 66 (39131)
05-06-2003 7:55 PM
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05-06-2003 7:38 PM


See if you can provide a better creationist explanation
i probably can't and i admitt this because frankly all that stuff is above me ,however if you go to genesis which i first read when i was about ten and did understand it, i'm sure you'll agree the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.
so your one reason hasn't worked for me , sorry.

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wj
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Message 18 of 66 (39133)
05-06-2003 8:02 PM
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05-06-2003 7:55 PM


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however if you go to genesis which i first read when i was about ten and did understand it, i'm sure you'll agree the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.
so your one reason hasn't worked for me , sorry.
LOL. I'm sure you also believe that ignorance is bliss.
Don't go issuing stupid challenges if you are not prepared to give any thought to the responses which they will elicit. I suggest you waste your time elsewhere.
[This message has been edited by wj, 05-06-2003]

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mike the wiz
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Message 19 of 66 (39136)
05-06-2003 8:12 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by wj
05-06-2003 8:02 PM


the challenge was to get me to believe in evolution with one reason, i am not a fool nor ignorant , it is you who have failed to convince me , so stop whining because i threw a knockout punch ,as i said the simplist explanation is often the correct one.
Indeed God knew i would believe the bible the first time i read it
where as evolution is a scientific theory , which is frankly boring and offers me nothing except 'you came from a chimp' lol
Would i have believed this scientific babble at the age of ten?

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Mister Pamboli
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Message 20 of 66 (39137)
05-06-2003 8:18 PM
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05-06-2003 7:26 PM


quote:
Aren't all creationists, by definition, liars anyway?
as a person who believes in creation this seems a little insulting
As one who does not, I agree with you. Creationists can be very sincere indeed - I know many creationists in whose integrity I have and do place the greatest trust.

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Mister Pamboli
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Message 21 of 66 (39141)
05-06-2003 8:25 PM
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05-06-2003 8:12 PM


quote:
the challenge was to get me to believe in evolution with one reason, i am not a fool nor ignorant , it is you who have failed to convince me , so stop whining because i threw a knockout punch ,as i said the simplist explanation is often the correct one.
I think this hardly a knockout punch - you set up the challenge (give me one reason), you have the sole judgement of success (only you know if he got you to believe or not) and you define the parameters (the simplest explanation is often the correct one.)
You threw nothing but a challenge you had no interest in giving serious consideration to - as you said, you find science frankly boring and a babble.
This is the kind of behaviour which give creationists a bad name. You may not be a liar, but you don't give anyone the slightest reason to care what, or if, you think.

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Message 22 of 66 (39142)
05-06-2003 8:26 PM
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05-06-2003 8:18 PM


As one who does not, I agree with you
thankyou mr Pamboli , i agree , evolutionists i'm sure ,like yourself,
arent all insulting , like wj

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Message 23 of 66 (39143)
05-06-2003 8:32 PM
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05-06-2003 8:25 PM


please dont think i was n't willing to listen,i read the whole paragraph as he asked me to , and i genuinely wanted to know if there was a brilliant reason to believe.
'You threw nothing but a challenge you had no interest in giving serious consideration to - as you said, you find science frankly boring and a babble.'
i am sorry i was so blunt it was just that he shown me a list with about 10 reasons and thay were very scientific , i apologise to any science fans!

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Mister Pamboli
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Message 24 of 66 (39149)
05-06-2003 9:41 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by mike the wiz
05-06-2003 8:32 PM


You do raise an interesting point, which may be worth pursuing on another thread: compelling resaons for believing in evolution that are not highly technical - how to convice a layman.
Anybody feel like opening a thread on this?

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Message 25 of 66 (39151)
05-06-2003 9:52 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Cameo
05-06-2003 5:15 PM


If I didn't know hillip Johnson's arguments weren't to promote a specific religious ideology (he calls his whole effor the Wedge Movement, even) I'd be more inclined to take them seriously.
Trial courtrooms aren't the place to arrive at truth, Perry Mason episodes notwithstanding. One look at the American legal system is enough to confirm that. It's a system for interpreting law, and that's it.
Aren't all creationists, by definition, liars anyway? (duh!)
I never said that Phillip Johnson was a liar, and I certainly wouldn't call all creationists liars. I don't think it's lying to promote things that you believe in. That said, I think a number of creationist figureheads spread falsehoods, some knowing, some not. Kent Hovind is certainly one of the former. Phillip Johnson may be one of the latter.

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Message 26 of 66 (39152)
05-06-2003 9:57 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Mister Pamboli
05-06-2003 9:41 PM


compelling resaons for believing in evolution that are not highly technical - how to convice a layman.
Well, here's one - people who ARE qualified to judge the technical evidence all agree that evolutionary models tend to be more correct.
I mean, if one isn't even going to make an attempt to understand the findings of science, what do we care what they think?
Mike, if the bible answers all your questions about life, the universe, and everything, that's fine. I'm glad. But the bible isn't good enough for some of us - much of what is says flies in the face of our experience and sense. For us, science has proven to be a superior method of discovering the true nature of reality around us.
If you're not interested in that, that's fine. But I would ask you - without at least casual knowledge of the methodology and findings of science, how is your viewpoint relevant to what is essentially a scientific question?

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wj
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Message 27 of 66 (39153)
05-06-2003 9:57 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by mike the wiz
05-06-2003 8:32 PM


From Mike the wiz
quote:
i am sorry i was so blunt it was just that he shown me a list with about 10 reasons and thay were very scientific , i apologise to any science fans!
I directed you specifically to my message #13. It appears that you did not bother to read as far as the end of message #1. This, and your subsequent comments are ample justification for speculating that you would support the adage that ignorance is bliss. If you wish to remain in ignorance then you are wasting your time and bandwidth at this website.
Insults are not necessary. Your actions speak for you. How appropriate, considering the title of the thread and previous discussion therein.

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Message 28 of 66 (39158)
05-06-2003 10:51 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by mike the wiz
05-06-2003 8:12 PM


Would i have believed this scientific babble at the age of ten?
I presume you are no longer ten years old. What's that verse about "When I was a child.." and "childish things?" Many of us here feel that it's sort of a good grown-up thing to do to learn about the world around us. Just because you didn't believe or understand biology and geology at ten doesn't mean that you wouldn't if you gave it a try now.

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Karl
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Message 29 of 66 (39215)
05-07-2003 8:52 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by mike the wiz
05-06-2003 8:32 PM


quote:
i am sorry i was so blunt it was just that he shown me a list with about 10 reasons and thay were very scientific , i apologise to any science fans!
Well of course they were scientific! Evolution is a scientific theory! What did you expect? Do you also expect non-religious explanations of the significance of the Incarnation?

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Message 30 of 66 (39219)
05-07-2003 9:20 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Karl
05-07-2003 8:52 AM


'Well of course they were scientific! Evolution is a scientific theory! What did you expect'
i have nothing against science , wahat i meant by science babble was being blinded by science , theres a phrase 'blinded with science' i couldn't remember this phrase at the time.it doesn't mean the ONE reason couldn't be scientific , all i was asking for was something i could understand .
ok here it is (i'm not super intelligent) there i've admitted it , what more do you want.

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