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Taz Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
For years, we creationists have been pointing out that the waters of the flood came from the fountains of the deep as described by the bible. Evilutionists have been arguing that water couldn't exist that deep at that pressure.
Well, I was websurfing last night while praying and God directed me to this. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...7_0307_waterworld.html Based on laboratory experiments, where researchers heated a cocktail of rock minerals to a whopping 2900 degrees Fahrenheit and compress them to a whopping pressure of 3 mil psi, replicating the conditions deep within the earth somewhere in the mantle, the researchers concluded that more water may exist inn the earth's mantle than the water on the surface to as much as 5 times more. Just a moment... Huge 'Ocean' Discovered Inside Earth | Live Science A seismologist, Michael Wysession, at Washington University in St. Louis and his former graduate student Jesse Laurence went through 600,000 seismograms and with the help from the holy spirit discovered a large ocean deep in the Earth's mantle underneath Asia. The body of water is said to be at least the size of the Arctic Ocean. What say you now, atheists? Ok, I admit I don't know jack about geology. Who cares to shed some light into this? Edited by Taz, : No reason given.
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Could you summarize what the websites are saying?
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Taz Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
You always procrastinate?
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AdminPhat Inactive Member |
Taz writes: Perhaps humor, Percy? Well, I was websurfing last night while praying and God directed me to this. Add by edit: I watched that video and my inner fundie jumped for joy! Taz, God uses donkeys and atheists for His glory! I'll promote him, Percy. Edited by AdminPhat, : No reason given.
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AdminPhat Inactive Member |
Thread copied here from the Fountains of the deep, new evidence thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Why isn't this thread in the Geology Forum.
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JonF Member (Idle past 168 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
I remind you of what Walt Brown forgot; there is a well established science of thermodynamics and an extremely well established science of the properties of water. Ever hear of the Age of Steam?
Releasing that "water" (see below), dropping the pressure from thousands of psi miles below the surface to atmospheric pressure, would immediately flash it to super-superheated steam. Using what we call a "control volume" concept, think of an imaginary box buried in the earth, with the water coming in one end and the super-superheated steam coming out the other. There's nothing created or destroyed inside the box, and steam at atmospheric pressure occupies a lot more volume than liquid water, so the steam has to come out a freakin' boatload faster than the water comes in, eroding the cr*p out of the sides of whatever it's flowing through. Glenn Morton did some calculations for Brown's early model (see part 3). The result is going to be about the same for any scenario you propose:
If you read the scientific articles on this subject, you'll see that there aren't any puddles of water in the mantle. Individual water molecules are stored in hydrated minerals and crystal defects or dissolved in minerals. It doesn't come out as liquid or gaseous water spontaneously. Nor is it easy to remove So, what about that heat problem? And the supersonic super-superheated steam? What mechanism extracted the water from its bonds? And how did the mantle get connected to the surface? It just doesn't work. See Walt Brown’s Hydropate Theory for a brief critique of the even-more-ridiculous scenario Walt Brown came up with to "escape" (hee hee hee) these issues. We've already hashed a lot of this out in the now read-only Where Did The (Great Flood) Water Come From And Where Did It Go? thread. Edited by JonF, : No reason given. Edited by JonF, : spelling
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Taz Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
JonF writes:
You misspelled Brown's name, making your entire argument invalid.
...scenario Walt Bron came up with...
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 734 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Taz: you failed to type "Neener! Neener! Neener!," making your rebuttal invalid, too.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Releasing that "water" (see below), dropping the pressure from thousands of psi miles below the surface to atmospheric pressure, would immediately flash it to super-superheated steam. You missed the second site; the second arctic ocean. The arctic ocean, as everyone should know by now is cold, cold, cold. That would have taken care of the steam problem from down there before the water even reached the surface and reverted, instentanously, to normal atmosphereic pressures and about the tempertur of a nice worm tropicle inlet. I know this was more than 4000 years ago but I sure hope that second arctic ocean has gotten all its cold back by now. At the rate we're melting the first one it won't be to long now before we will have to go get the second and put it into place. I'm hoping it will be frozed over like the first one used to. And that sismolegist fella, I'm hoping he's looking for another antartica because we're going to need a new one of them soon 2. Edited by AZPaul3, : I'm not sure.
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JonF Member (Idle past 168 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Show your calculations.
Are you proposing that the "fountains" blew out only through the poles?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Show your calculations. Calculations? Don't need any calculations. Its all in the news and stuff about how this globle worming is happening all over the world. They showed pictures of the artic ocean all melting and watery and the showed antartica with all those big ice chuncks breaking off of it. Its real, man. Its all over the webs 2.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 734 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Are you proposing that the "fountains" blew out only through the poles? Probly through the axle holes. A bearing musta blowed out.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Well you're talking about the atheist laws of thermodynamics. As we all know, Bible-believing Christians have a completely different set of laws of thermodynamics.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Well you're talking about the atheist laws of thermodynamics. As we all know, Bible-believing Christians have a completely different set of laws of thermodynamics. On another website a creationist went to great lengths to explain why the law of "thermal documents" was wrong (and this was before auto-correct). Maybe that's what the aforementioned "Bible-believing Christians" are referring to?Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
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