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jar
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Message 166 of 404 (569090)
07-20-2010 9:01 AM
Reply to: Message 163 by riVeRraT
07-20-2010 8:49 AM


Re: Everyone's racist once in a while...it's Hollywood, man!
Good. I'm glad we got that settled. I was simply unsure what you meant by the underlined part of this quote from you.
riVeRraT writes:
There are all kinds of muslims. Some of them are radical, and believe in harming anyone who doesn't think like them. When they act out those beliefs, yes I have a problem with it, and hold those beliefs against them because they are against the law.
Had you said that you held those acts against them because they were against the law there would have been no confusion.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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riVeRraT
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Message 167 of 404 (569097)
07-20-2010 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by xongsmith
07-20-2010 3:22 AM


Re: Everyone's racist once in a while...it's Hollywood, man!
"xongsmith" writes:
For this I must disagree and lay the blame on you, riVeRrat, for originally making a poor sentence construction that will, in overwhelming preponderance, cause the average reader to misunderstand you. Hey, no biggie. It's just that stupid language, English, which nobody on this planet can use without making mistakes.
Ok, I stand corrected. I just assumed after reading this whole thread that a small error like that would be over looked, and one would assume that I do not think beliefs are not against the law, because they aren't. Well at least here in the U.S.
The subject of the sentence was about the illegal actions.
I suck at English, sorry. It has gotten a bit better in the last 7 years here, I try. But most likely, jar knew exactly what I was saying, and just decided to pick it apart that way, because that's what he does to me all the time. I mean even after I clarified it, he still doesn't "know" what I meant by "they". Just kind of proves my point about him. You got it, so I guess you are smarter than jar.(sarcasm)
So yes, "they" refers to the illegal actions.
Yes, I do have a problem with people's belief's. if those belief's lead them to hurting people, or committing illegal actions. Perhaps that statement is too vague, but I would hope you know what I mean. But I do not automatically assume someone is that way, before I even talk to them.
While any given belief is not "against the law", if you premeditate a homicide, then your punishment will be more severe. Also if you were to get evaluated for what ever reason, and they found your beliefs, and the way you were thinking to be a threat to people or yourself, you could be committed to a mental institution.
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AZPaul3
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Message 168 of 404 (569104)
07-20-2010 10:08 AM
Reply to: Message 160 by Taz
07-20-2010 12:40 AM


Re: Tea Party again, surprise surprise
Coyote:
And is it possible that the other side sent some of those as plants?
Taz:
Should I put my tinfoil hat on now?
Frog:
Hrm, you seem like the person to ask: I've been looking to get a new tinfoil hat. Where do you have yours made, Coyote?
There are still so many racists out there and the Tea Parties have indeed attracted quite a few, but, if the two of you are so naive as to think the liberal camp is immune to perpetrating such dirty tricks, just as the conservative camp does, then I have a couple of really nice, though pricey, tin hats I can sell you.

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Taz
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Message 169 of 404 (569114)
07-20-2010 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 168 by AZPaul3
07-20-2010 10:08 AM


Re: Tea Party again, surprise surprise
AZPaul3 writes:
There are still so many racists out there and the Tea Parties have indeed attracted quite a few, but, if the two of you are so naive as to think the liberal camp is immune to perpetrating such dirty tricks, just as the conservative camp does, then I have a couple of really nice, though pricey, tin hats I can sell you.
You are absolutely right. There are racists everywhere. I've already mentioned before that my elderly dad is racist. He just won't admit it. And I seem to show all the symptoms of being a racist as well. It's a part of me that I'm still trying to beat.
But I find it curious that when we rarely ever see racists in the liberal side making wide and loud proclamations and get away with it. When was the last time anyone saw someone from the liberal camp holding a sign comparing a black man to a monkey? When was the last time anyone saw someone from the liberal camp accusing a black polical candidate of being a secret muslim agent in order to discredit him? When was the last time anyone saw someone from the liberal camp wave the confederate flag into the faces of black people?
During the election campaign period, there were groups who showed up at the McCain rallies with racist signs and shouted racist comments. Some were ignored and some were asked to leave by McCain's supporters. I really thought that was the end of that.
And then we saw the formation of the tea party. And as soon as the first tea party rally happened, I saw all these same people all over again. They eventually understood that they weren't welcome in mainstream conservative base, so they all flock to the new conservative base.
And again, I recognize that there are racists everywhere. What bothers me about the tea party is these people are loud and proud. There has to be a reason why they feel they could be so loud and proud in this new tea party while they couldn't show the same face and attitude in the other political rallies.

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Theodoric
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Message 170 of 404 (569117)
07-20-2010 11:10 AM
Reply to: Message 164 by riVeRraT
07-20-2010 8:56 AM


You really need to think about what you write and be more clear
So tell me, do you support letting people kill other people, because belief's are not against the law?
Are you trying to say certain Islamic beliefs should be against the law?
If so, what are those beliefs?

Facts don\'t lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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AZPaul3
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Message 171 of 404 (569119)
07-20-2010 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 169 by Taz
07-20-2010 10:40 AM


Re: Tea Party again, surprise surprise
When was the last time anyone saw someone from the liberal camp holding a sign comparing a black man to a monkey? When was the last time anyone saw someone from the liberal camp accusing a black polical candidate of being a secret muslim agent in order to discredit him? When was the last time anyone saw someone from the liberal camp wave the confederate flag into the faces of black people?
Coyote's point is that you may have seen just that on the tapes without realizing it.
While we must acknowledge that "bona fide" racists turn out at Tea Party rallies there is no way to tell if any are dirty trick artists or not, or even political liberals with a racist bent. Cannot say that any could be tricksters. But the point is that such dirty tricks are not the exclusive purview of the right.
There has to be a reason why they feel they could be so loud and proud in this new tea party while they couldn't show the same face and attitude in the other political rallies.
This is an excellent point. Even given a "plant" or three the numbers of racists openly vocal at these public Tea Parties is significant. KKK and Nazi rallies don't get much national publicity these days so a Tea Party rally may be seen as the way onto the public stage. Has the Tea Party movement been co-opted by race-baiters?
I know a number of people would rather think that the "right" is shadow-racist to begin with. We already know that the KKK and Nazi's are considered far right. The fact that open displays of racism have been tolerated and not put down during the rallies may lend some credence here. Though considering all political conservatives as racists is hyperbole (as were the "tinfoil hat" comments).
Edited by AZPaul3, : added thought

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 172 of 404 (569129)
07-20-2010 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by Woodsy
07-20-2010 9:00 AM


Re: Everyone's racist once in a while...it's Hollywood, man!
Woodsy writes:
Is it, in some cases, even safe to ignore these shared attributes?
The counter-question is: How far do you go to ensure your own safety? Iraq? Should a squadron of B-52s be considered part of the safety equipment for the World trade Center?
During World War II, we interned second-generation Japanese Canadians for safety's sake. My father was all in favour of doing that. He was a second-generation German Canadian.

I rode off into the sunset, went all the way around the world and now I\'m back where I started.

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 173 of 404 (569147)
07-20-2010 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 143 by DevilsAdvocate
07-19-2010 5:58 PM


Ever Seen a Duck?
obviously you don't know shit about ducks either. You called me a supremacist, which is entirely false, but I can see you need no evidence to back up your claims, since you are so full of shit to begin with.
thanks for at lead being honest in saying you have no basis to debate, but can only revert to name calling when some one shares a view that is different than yours.
Usually the 1st person to call someone else a bigot is the real bigot, thanks for proving this to be true yet once again.

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 174 of 404 (569148)
07-20-2010 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by riVeRraT
07-19-2010 7:48 PM


Re: Everyone's racist once in a while...it's Hollywood, man!
Maybe if I changed my name, and claimed to be a raging liberal, you guys would read my stuff differently.
the most truthful thing i have read here in a long time. of course they would, this is one of the least objective message boards I have ever been too. It what really makes it entertaining, the fact that liberals are all one way in a science v. religion debate, but make it political, and they contradict half the things the harp on in other forums. the double standard and moderated bias at eVc really makes this site a joke, but then I do come here for the comedy, and this place has yet to disappoint, on that front.

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onifre
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Message 175 of 404 (569150)
07-20-2010 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by Theodoric
07-20-2010 11:10 AM


Re: You really need to think about what you write and be more clear
Are you trying to say certain Islamic beliefs should be against the law?
I'd say many texts in the Hadith should be against, are against, the law, especially western law.
This is pretty sick:
Also:
And this:
Certainly in these 3 videos, you can see many things that can and should be against the law, right?
You can call this fundamentalism, sure, but they get their inspiration and ways to behave from the same book; they quote from it. So somewhere they are being motivated toward this.
- Oni

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Theodoric
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Message 176 of 404 (569152)
07-20-2010 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by Artemis Entreri
07-20-2010 1:24 PM


Re: Ever Seen a Duck?
Usually the 1st person to call someone else a bigot is the real bigot, thanks for proving this to be true yet once again.
You have way with your supposed aphorism, but again all it is is a saying. It means nothing. You might as well have said
quote:
whoever smelt it dealt it
Sounds pretty sophomoric doesn't it. As do you.
Oh and you have proven nothing true.

Facts don\'t lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Theodoric
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Message 177 of 404 (569155)
07-20-2010 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by onifre
07-20-2010 1:35 PM


Re: You really need to think about what you write and be more clear
These are radical beliefs. Christianity and every other religion has its radicals also. The point I am trying to make is that you can not ascribe these beliefs to all moslems as you cannot ascribe the beliefs of Westboro Baptist to all christians.
Why does rat not have a problem with living next to christians? Wasn't Timothy McVeigh a strong christian? How about Eric Rudolph? Or Scott Roeder and the other murderers of doctors that provide abortion services.
The point is rat and arty are racists. The can deny it all they want.

Facts don\'t lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 178 of 404 (569156)
07-20-2010 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by Theodoric
07-20-2010 1:35 PM


Re: Ever Seen a Duck?
of course I have proven nothing becuase you guys refuse to debate, all you have in your arsenal is name calling.
that one was way to easy, like fighting a cripple.
Edited by Artemis Entreri, : No reason given.

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 179 of 404 (569158)
07-20-2010 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by Artemis Entreri
07-20-2010 1:30 PM


Re: Everyone's racist once in a while...it's Hollywood, man!
why bring Muslims up in a racism debate? Muslim is not a Race. if hating a religion is racist, ever single anti christian on here, is racist, which is probably 90% of the site including the owner and all the biased mods.
Why not speak about your love or Hate of Islam in a thread about Islam, not about Race?

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ringo
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Message 180 of 404 (569167)
07-20-2010 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by Artemis Entreri
07-20-2010 1:24 PM


Atemis Entreri writes:
Usually the 1st person to call someone else a bigot is the real bigot, thanks for proving this to be true yet once again.
I'm afraid that "I know you are but what am I?" has little validity outside the playground. In this case, it's especially false. A person who doesn't want to be a bigot doesn't go into deny-deny-deny mode when somebody suggests he's a bigot. Instead, he asks where other people see bigotry in him.
So let me ask: Which is worse? Being called a bigot or having somebody notice you're a bigot?

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