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11-22-2002 1:19 AM


One of the books you should pick up if your not scared about seeing another option without evolution is "The Case for Faith" by Lee Strobel, a huge very successful journalist who happened to be an atheist for many of years and wanted to know the truth about if theres a God and such and now is a pastor/minister of his own church. One Chapter is about evolution and the interview (he does an interview with one of the leading experts on the field in every chapter to learn the truth) with Walter L. Bradley, PH.D. And unlike some other people who believe in God who say they are PHD's and aren't, Bradely is one.
Walter L. Bradley caused a stir in 1984 when he co-authored the seminal book, "The Mystery of Lifes Origin," which was a devastating analysis of theories about how living matter was created. Eyebrows were raised because its foreword was written by biologist Dean Kenyon of San Fransisco State University, whose book Biological Predestination had previously argued that chemicals had an inherent ability to evolve into living cells under the right conditions. Calling Bradley's book "cogent, original, and compelling." Kenyon concluded: "The authors believe, and I now concur, that there is a fundamental flaw in all current theories of the chemical origins of life."
Since then, Bradley has written and spoken widely on the topic of how life began. He has contributed to the books "Mere Creation" and "Three Views of Creation and Evolution," whilehe and chemist Charles B. Thaxton wrote "Information and the Origin of Life" for the book
"The Creation Hypothesis." His more technical articles include co-authoring, "A Statistical Examination of Self-Ordering of Amino Acids in Proteins," published in Origins of Life and Evolution of the Biosphere, which reflects his personal research on the origin-of-life field.
Bradley recieved his doctorate in materials science from the University of Texas at Austin and was a professor of mechanical engineering at Texas A&M University for twenty-four years, serving as head of the department for four years. An expert of polymers and thermodynamics, both of which are critically important in the life-origin debate, Bradley has been director of the Polymer Technolgy Center at Texas A&M and has recieved research grants totaling four million dollars. He has consulted with such corporations as Dow Chemical, 3M, B.F. Goodrich, General Dynamics, Boeing, and Shell Oil, and has been an expert witness in about seventy-five legal cases. In addition, he is a fellow of the Discovery Institute's Center for the Renewal of Science and Culture and has been elected a fellow of the American Society for Materials and the Amerian Scientific Affiliation.
As a scientist concerned with accuracy, Bradley answers questions in careful and complete sentences, making sure to acknowledge nuances and not to overstate his conclusions. He talks respectfully of the evolutionists he has debated through the years, including renowned chemistry professor Robert Shapiro of New York University, who called The Mystery of Life's Origin "an important contribution" and "brings together the major scientific arguments that demonstrate the inadequacy of current theories."
In his many pages long interview about evolution, he goes over
Building Blocks of Life
Assembling a Cell
And theories..
Random Chance
Chemical Affinity
Self-Ordering Tendencies
Seeding from Space
Vents in the Ocean
Life from Clay
Other things as well like...
The Most Reasonable Inference
Reasoning by Analogy
I Build Molecules
and more...
Anyway, he's one of the top in his field of how life began. Heres a small exerpt from the interview of Lee Strobel and Walter L. Bradley. The interviews were taken for this book in 2000 so it's not an old 1984 book with old data and junk either. Heres two of the exerpts...
-"Then what,"I said, "is your own best hypothesis?"
Bradley didn't answer immediately. He glanced over at the stack of research papers, lingering for a moment before he looked back at me. Whenour eyes met he continued.
"If there isn't a natural explanation and there doesn't seem to be the potential of finding one, then I believe it's appropriate to look at a supernatural explanation. I think thats the most reasonable inference based on the evidence."
That seemed to be a big concession for someone trained in science.
"You don't see a problem in saying that the best explanation seems to be an Intelligent Designer?"
"Absolutely not. I think people who believe that life emerged naturalistically need to have a great deal more faith than people who reasonably infer that there's an Intelligent Designer."
"What prevents more scientists from drawing that conclusion?"
"Many have reached that conclusion. But for some, their philosophy gets in the way. If they're persuaded ahead of time that there isn't a God, then no matter how compelling the evidence, they'll always say, 'Wait and we'll find something better in the future.' But thats a metaphysical argument. Scientists aren't more objective than anybody else. They all come to questions like this with their preconceived ideas."
I quickly interjected,"Yes, but you came in with a preconceived idea that there IS a God."
Bradley nodded,"Sure,"he conceded,"And I've been pleasently surprised, because a lower level of evidence probably would have satisfied me. But what I've found is absolutely overwhelming evidence that points toward an Intelligent Designer."
"So you think the facts point convincingly toward a Creator?"
"Convincingly is to mild a term,"he replied. "The evidence is compelling. 'Convincing' suggests a little more likely than not; 'Compelling' says you have to really work hard not to get to that conclusion."
"But that sounds so...,"I said, stumbling a bit while searching for the right word,"unscientific,"I finally said.
"On the contrary," Bradley replied, "it's very scientific. For the past one hundred and fifty years, scientists have used arguments based on analogies to things we do understand to formulate new hypotheses in emerging areas of scientific work. And that's what this is about." Pg-108-109
-The analogical method was described in the ninteenth century by astronomer John F. W. Herschel, who wrote, "If the analogy of two phenomena be very close and striking, while, at the same time, that cause of one is very obvious, it becomes scarcely possible to refuse to admit the action of an analogous casue in the other, though not so obvious in itself."
"How does this apply to the origin-of-life issue?" I asked Bradley.
"If the only time we see written information - whether it's a painting on a cave wall or a novel from Amazon.com - is when there's an intelligence behind it, then wouldn't that be also true of nature itself?" Bradley said in responding.
"In other words, what is encoded on the DNA inside every cell of every living creature is purely and simply written information. We used a twenty-six-letter alphabet in English; in DNA, there is a four-letter chemical alphabet, whos letters combine in various sequences to form words, sentences, and paragraphs. These comprise all the instructions needed to guide the functioning of a cell. They spell out in coded from the instructions for how a cell makes proteins. It works just the way alphabetical letter sequences do in our language. Now, when we see written language, we can infer, based on our experience, that is has an intelligent cause. Therefore, this means life on earth came from a 'who' instead of a 'what'."
Undeniably, it was a powerful and persuasive argument. Bradley seemed to reflect on it for a few moments before offering an illustration that would clinch his point.
"Did you see the movie Contact?"
"Sure," I said. "It was based on Carl Sagan's book."
"That's right" he replied. "In the movie, scientists are scanning the skies for signs of intelligent life in space.
Their radiotelescopes just receive static - random sounds from space. It's reasonable to assume there's no intelligence behind that. Then one day they begin receiving a transmission of prime numbers, which are numbers divisible only by themselves and one. The scientists reason that it's too improbable that there would be a natural cause behind a string of numbers like that. This wasn't merely unorganized static; it was information, a message with content. From that, they concluded there was an intelligent cause behind it. As Sagan once himself said, 'The receipt of a single message from space would be enough to know there's an intelligence out there.' That's reasoning by analogy - we know that where there's intelligent communication, there's an intelligent cause."
Bradleys eyes bored in on me as he delivered his conclusion.
"And if a single message from space is enough for us to conclude there's an intelligence behind it, then what about the vast amounts of information contained in the DNA of every living plant and animal?" he said, his voice rising in emphasis.
"Each cell in the human body contains more information than in all thirty volumes of the Encyclopedia Britannica. It's certainly reasonable to make the inference that this isn't the random product of misguided nature, but it's the unmistakable sign of an Intelligent Designer."
It was an argument without an answer. "Then," I said, "the origin of life is the Achilles heel of evolution."
"That's right. As Phillip Johnson said, 'If Darwinists are to keep the Creator out of the picture, they have to provide a naturalistic explanation for the origin of life.'
"Lee, they haven't been able to do it. Despite all their efforts, they haven't even come up with a single possibility that even remotely makes sense. And there's no prospect they will. In fact, everything is pointing the other way - in the unmistakable direction to God. Today it takes a great deal of faith to be an honest scientist who is an athiest." Pg-109-110
Pick up the book if your interested in it even alittle bit. Theres many more things about evolution in there as well as the top questions people ask to why there is no God and other stuff like that. Here are the Chapters in case your even thinking about buying it or something. A 298 Page Book With....
CONTENTS
Introduction: The Challenge of Faith
On the Road to Answers
Objection #1 : Since evil and Suffering Exist, a Loving God Cannot
Objection #2 : Since Miracles Contradict Science, They cannot be True
Objection #3 : Evolution Explains Life, So God isn't Needed
Objection #4 : God isn't Worthy of Worthip If He Kills Innocent Children
Objection #5 : It's Offensive to Claim Jesus is the Only Way to God
Objection #6 : A Loving God Would NEver Torture People in Hell
Objection #7 : Church History Is Littered with Oppression and Violence
Objection #8 : I still have Doubts, So I Can't be a Christian
Conclusion: The Power of Faith
Appendix: A Summary of The Case for Christ
Notes
Index
Acknowledgments
About the Author
This isn't my only source either of this sort of thing. However, if you still cling to your beliefs that you so willingly believe in nomatter who says otherwise, then good luck in the future and I'm glad your open minded. And yes, I am open minded as I studied evolution too. I look at both pieces of evidence. You should choose the same course if you want to know the truth. Piece.
George Gallup, the famous statistician, said,
"I could prove God statistically; take the human body alone; the chance that all the functions of the individual would just happen, is a statistical monstrosity."
Albert Einstein said,
"Everyone who is seriously interested in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe-a spirit vastly superior to man, and one in the face of which our modest powers must feel humble."
Heres Some Jesus Stuff I'm Just Throwing in: Have FUN
I thought I'd just go over Jesus resurrection.
The following are the summaries of "The Case for Christ" in the book "The Case for Faith" by Lee Strobel who interviewed the top people in their fields to give the best answers in his own quest for answers as an athiest, whom, after the book, became the pastor of his own church. Here are a few of the summaries...
WAS JESUS' DEATH A SHAM AND HIS RESURRECTION A HOAX?
By analyzing the medical and historical data, Dr. Alexander Metherell, a physician who also holds doctorate in engineering, concluded Jesus could not have survived the gruesome rigors of crusifixion, much less the gaping wound that pierced his lung and heart. In fact, even before the crusifiction he was in serious to critical condition and suffering from hypovolemicshock as the result of a horrific flogging. The idea that he somehow swooned on the cross and pretened to be dead lacks any evidental basis. Roman executioners were grimly efficient, knowing that they themselves would face death if any of there victims were to come down from the cross alive. Even if Jesus had somehow lived through the torture, his ghastly condition could never have inspired a worldwide movement based on the premise that he had gloriously triumphed over the grave.
WAS JESUS' BODY REALLY ABSENT FROM HIS TOMB?
William Lane Craig, who has earned two doctorates and written several books on the Resurrection, presented striking evidence that the enduring symbol of Easter - the vacant tomb of Jesus - was a hitorical reality. The empty grave is reported or implied in extremely early sources - Mark's gospel and a creed in First Corinthians 15 - which date so close to the event that they could not possibly have been products of legend. The fact that the gospels report that womendiscovered the empty tomb bolsters the story's authenticity, because women's testimony lacked credibility in the first century and thus there would have been no motive to report they found the empty tomb if it weren't true. The site of Jesus' tomb was known to Christians, Jews, and Romans, so it could have been checked by skeptics. In fact, nobody - not even Roman authoritiesor Jewish leaders - ever claimed that the tomb still contained Jesus' body. Instead, they were forced to invent the absurd story that the disciples, despite having no motive or opportunity, had stolen the body - a theory that not even the most skeptical critic believes today.
WAS JESUS SEEN ALIVE AFTER HIS DEATH ON THE CROSS?
The evidence for the post-Resurrection appearences of Jesus didn't develop gradually over the years as mythology distorted memories of his life. Rather, said renowned Resurrection expert Gary Habermas, his resurrection was "the central proclamation of the early church from the very begining. The ancient creed from 1 Corinthians 15 mentions specific individuals who encountered the risen Christ, and Paul even challenged first-century doubters to talk with these individuals personally to deteermine the truth of the matter for themselves. The Book of Acts is littered with extremely early affirmations of Jesus' resurrection, while the gospels describe numerous encounters in detail. Concluded British theologian Micheal Green : "The appearences of Jesus are as well authenticated as anything in antiquity....There can be no rational doubt that they occured."
ARE THERE ANY SUPPORTING FACTS THAT POINT TOWARD THE RESURRECTION?
Professor J.P. Moreland presented circumstantial evidence that provided strong documentation for the Resurrection. First, the disciples were in a unique position to know whether the Resurrection happened, and they went to their deaths proclaiming it was true. Nobody knowingly and willingly dies for a lie. Secound, apart from the Resurrection, there's no good reason why such skeptics as Paul and James would have been converted and would have died for their faith. Third, within weeks of the crusifixion, thousands of Jews became convinced Jesus was the Son of God and began following him, abandoning key social practices that had critical sociological and religious importance for centuries. They believed they risked damnation if they were wrong. Fourth, the early sacraments of Communion and Baptism affirmed Jesus' Resurrection and deity. And fifth, the miraculous emergence of the church in the face of brutal Roman persecution "rips a great hole in history, a hole the size and shape of Resurrection," as C.F.D. Moule put it.
Taken together, I concluded that this expert testimony constitutes compelling evidence that Jesus Christ was who he claimed to be - the one and only Son of God.
The atheism that I (Lee Strobel) had embraced for so long buckled under the weight if historical truth. For the details that support this summary, please refer to The Case for Christ.

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Hi View!
Though the titles differ, you've begun what appears to be the same topic in three different forums. Would you please select which is most appropriate and delete the other two? Thanks!
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11-22-2002 9:22 AM
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Actually Percy, I count four instances: Great Debate, Is it Science, Intelligent Design and Evolution fora. Must be one really compelling argument. After all, how much more authoritative can you get than a creationist mechanical engineer quoted in a pro-creationist book written by a professional creationist? Evolution is truly doomed...

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ViewOfWorld
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Message 4 of 8 (23771)
11-22-2002 5:01 PM


Yeah sorry about that admin. I'll detlete the rest. And to the other guy who posted. Sorry bud. The book was written by an athiest looking for answers so he asked the best ones to give it. You were wrong on that one as well as the others. The decorated science guy could be considered a creationist but he wasn't always and just because a scientist turns to God doesn't make him stupider. He's looked at all the facts and chose another choice that makes more sense. So sorry its not YOUR choice but we all can't have your superior intellect. Geez.

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11-22-2002 6:50 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by ViewOfWorld:
[B]Yeah sorry about that admin. I'll detlete the rest. And to the other guy who posted. Sorry bud.
M: No problem
VOW
The book was written by an athiest looking for answers so he asked the best ones to give it.
M: Then why didnt he talk to an evolutionary biologist or even a geneticist about evolution instead of a materials science Ph.D.? For his next book will he ask me about materials science since I have a Ph.D. in human genetics?
VOW
You were wrong on that one as well as the others.
M: How convenient since my post was deleted...so I will say I was right and you were wrong..nya nya
VOW
The decorated science guy could be considered a creationist but he wasn't always and just because a scientist turns to God doesn't make him stupider.
M: I never claimed he was stupid or that scientists that believe in god are stupid...I pointed out that asking a creationist materials science expert if he thinks creationism is true and claiming it is a representative unbiased account of what evolutionary biologists think is stupid.
VOW
He's looked at all the facts and chose another choice that makes more sense.
M: There is not a single part of your initial post that demonstrates in any way that Bradley has ever even opened a scientific text that deals with evolution.
VOW:
So sorry its not YOUR choice but we all can't have your superior intellect. Geez.
M: Again, not my point and I am not even claiming a superior intellect..however, I also don't go to quantum mechanics meetings and claim that everything they do is wrong because I don't understand it...and if I were to write a book on quantum mechanics I would not interview a sheep herder and expect to get a particularly informed response on the subject.

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Message 6 of 8 (23865)
11-23-2002 4:02 AM


--No offense (of course) to the guy who wrote it, but I love it when people just chop a paragraph(s) into sentences then comment on each one. I know it gets your point across and by showing there mistakes and your corrections to those mistakes. AAAAAnyway, since I see many people do this why not me (for the first and last time).
M: Then why didnt he talk to an evolutionary biologist or even a geneticist about evolution instead of a materials science Ph.D.? For his next book will he ask me about materials science since I have a Ph.D. in human genetics?
--Well, for starters, he wanted to hear a guy who has many years experience with how life began on primitive earth and knows about it. He wouldn't want a guy who is an evolutionist who totally disregards God all together period. The book IS about asking the toughest questions and he did ask them to one of the most influencial experts on how life began on primitive earth. I've heard on a post that they've never heard of Bradley. So, he's probably a nobody and such, blah blah blah. You know how it goes. Anyway, just because you haven't heard of him before doesn't mean he...well sucks and doesn't know what he's talking about. He chose Bradley because (as I've stated before) he's one of the most influencial experts on how life began on primitive earth. Now, there are many people who are experts in evolution, who have studied it and so on and so forth. Lee Strobel knew who he was contacting. Being the award winning legal editor of the Chicago Tribune who holds a Master of Studies in Law degree from Yale Law School (that has nothing to do with what I'm saying but just to show that he's not your average work for wawa as a cashier guy) and above all being an athiest. Now as an athiest, and a journalist as well, he of course went for the right guy to answer his questions. Now I personally think that being an athiest journalist who knows how to ask the decisve questions to see whos right here makes him a good candidate for firstly picking out who to target, and thusly, on to which questions to ask of him. He didn't want to ask some scientist who already preconceived there notion on no God as they would only say what Lee Strobel already thought...that there isn't a God and that evolution is true. He wanted to see one of the top experts of how life began of primitve earth, who had a different viewpoint then himself. Who believes in God. A quick sidenote to others...There are many scientists who believe in God. O.K. Just because you don't have hundreds of them going on national tv proclaiming there voice that they believe in God doesn't mean they don't.
M: How convenient since my post was deleted...so I will say I was right and you were wrong..nya nya
--First off, nya nya? And your a grown up PHD? Whew. Anyways, I had to delete all but one. I didn't choose the one you commented on because you wrote something or another. I did it as this post had all the information I had written down while the other post had less. So don't go tipping your hat off. P.S. That wasn't a wisecrack so you can't use that against me. I didn't even respond to your post so how was I wrong? Anyway on to the next one...man. This is getting boring.
M: I never claimed he was stupid or that scientists that believe in god are stupid...I pointed out that asking a creationist materials science expert if he thinks creationism is true and claiming it is a representative unbiased account of what evolutionary biologists think is stupid.
--I know you didn't claim he was stupid. I apologize if you felt that way but that was intended to some other people who do/might think that way. Those were only two exerpts. 2 pages of an over 25 page account. He wasn't representing a fair account to what all evolutionary biologists think. Of course anybody with a brain knows various evolutionary biologists don't agree with what a few things he says, or for that matter, what other evolutionary biologist says as some have disgreements amonst themselves sometimes, like we all do with each other at some point in our lives. He said most do but some hold there preconceived ideas about God so they don't change. Now various scientists don't change there minds of course. Various others do. Just because you or others you know haven't come to that corner yet or chose no God, doesn't mean others across the world have.
M: There is not a single part of your initial post that demonstrates in any way that Bradley has ever even opened a scientific text that deals with evolution.
--As I've said before, those were only two exerpts from an over 25 page interview. He talks about the biulding blocks of life, assembling a cell, and theories of evolution like random chance, chemical affintiy, life from clay so on and so forth. He wrote and co-wrote books on the subjects. And I know that writing a book doesn't make you an expert. I know, but when other scientists like biologist Dean Kenyon, chemistry professor Robert Shapiro and I'm sure others who aren't creationists like Robert Shapiro comment greatly on Bradley's works then he's gotta be doing something right and he's gotta know something or in this case many things. Not all. He's not God or anything (duh) but he knows his stuff. Various scientists might disagree with him here and there, as due numerous scientists argue with each other over various of things in the scientific world, so disagreement is not uncommon, especially on things that involve the beginging of everything.
M: Again, not my point and I am not even claiming a superior intellect..however, I also don't go to quantum mechanics meetings and claim that everything they do is wrong because I don't understand it...and if I were to write a book on quantum mechanics I would not interview a sheep herder and expect to get a particularly informed response on the subject.
--And I apologize for stating that you thought that. Again, like above Bradley knows his stuff. If the books he's written and co-written make evolutionists and other scientists agree with him (not on God but on scientific data) then he's not talking and commenting on things he does not understand. If you read the entire section in the book you'd know. However I doubt you or others would as theres only one chapter for evolution and the book costs $13-. But if you want to read it thats cool.
--Whew. I got a headache. Too much on computer screen time. Anyway, I'm moving tomorrow (thats why I started going to posts like this for the past week - yeah I know only a week but so what.) Anyway, the computer isn't going to be hooked up in a long while so I probably won't get to read any responses to this or others I've written on other sites. People might say, figures, he writes posts then leaves cause he doesn't want to see that others disagree with him. Not the case there fella's. Moving to a much bigger place (thank...well yes you guessed it...God) So I'll see ya never more then likely. Yes I could come back later when its hooked up but who knows when that'll be and I'm concentrating on other things in life then debating this battle of ongoing years. Quiting the battle? No. Just have other things more important. I have my faith and thats all I need. No ones going to get me to change it. Stuborn, yes. For good reason. What reason? My faith. Blind faith? No, but something in me will always think that way. And I'm glad it does. So thanks for all who listened.
Thank you mammuthus for commenting and such. Anyway I hope you all have fun debating. When we each die, we'll know whos right in the end. Piece.

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Message 7 of 8 (23868)
11-23-2002 5:23 AM
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11-23-2002 4:02 AM


viewofworld, how about backing up the assertion that Bradley has some expertise in abiogenesis. Does your creationist propoganda book give references to papers by Bradley that are relevent to the issue of abiagenesis? If so, list them.

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Message 8 of 8 (23869)
11-23-2002 6:42 AM


One of the books you should pick up if your not scared about seeing another option without evolution is "The Case for Faith" by Lee Strobel.
I suggest you read Strobel's 'Case for Christ' to see the academic ability of Lee. TCFC is one of the most obvious christian prooaganda books I have ever read. Lee says he used to be a court reporter but in this instance he appears to forget that the prosecution are allowed to have witnesses. In the entire book Lee NEVER interviews even one opponent of Christianity, this is pretty amateur research.
A christian friend of mine asked me to read the case for faith but given Lee's poor track record I didnt bother as I have many more important and academic things to read.
Brian
A question for Admin, why is it the 'n' at the end of my name very seldom appears in my postings?
I check in preview that my signature 'Brian' is typed out correctly and it appears as if it is. However, when i post my message the 'n' disappears and I always get 'Bria'

  
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