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Dawn Bertot
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Message 316 of 986 (783618)
05-07-2016 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 314 by jar
05-07-2016 9:15 AM


Re: Show Me The Evidence
Yes I know verbatim what evidence is, do you?
Maybe you could provide actual evidence that the conclusion of evolution, soley natural causes is sustainable
Can you?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 317 of 986 (783620)
05-07-2016 9:30 AM
Reply to: Message 253 by ICANT
05-05-2016 7:29 PM


Re: Show Me The Evidence
You did not say they were usually produced by a female anteater and a male ant eater mating.
You said they were reproduced by OTHER organisms reproducing with variation.
Specifically, other anteaters. Idiot.

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 318 of 986 (783621)
05-07-2016 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 309 by Modulous
05-07-2016 9:01 AM


Re: Show Me The Evidence
A response to post 309
Modulous
Do you have direct evidence of how this very detailed process you describe started
Yes or no
You say the state of affairs of evolution is irelevant
Well there you go
My science for answers to unwittnessed events is indirect evidence based on available evidence
Why is this not methodical in nature, even if it's not elaborate

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Modulous
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Message 319 of 986 (783622)
05-07-2016 9:35 AM
Reply to: Message 315 by Dawn Bertot
05-07-2016 9:20 AM


Re: Show Me The Evidence
Your best explanation is You don't know
Wrong.
There is is no need for me to explain nature better than evolution that's not the point.
So you are admitting that you can't meet the standards of science?
All I need to do is show very good evidence, of even indirectly by design.
Not if you want to show 'The Science in Creationism'.
Not all empirical reasoning is science.
Since you admit you have no answers
I answered your questions.
You have not provisioned me with any of the evidence or reasoning I have asked for.
what makes my investigation invalid as science
It doesn't use valid logic.
It doesn't take into account the totality of the evidence.
It doesn't get you to the supernatural entities you require
It isn't falsifiable.
The evidence you have doesn't lead to the conclusion you have drawn.

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jar
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Message 320 of 986 (783623)
05-07-2016 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 316 by Dawn Bertot
05-07-2016 9:24 AM


Re: Show Me The Evidence
Why do you continue to post lies Dawn?
Particularly, why do you post lies that were dealt with just a few posts earlier?
Your question was addressed most recently in Message 308.
Get over it.
No one but you is claiming science says that there are solely natural causes.
Once again, in small words, what everyone has said repeatedly is that no evidence for anything other than natural causes has ever been shown.
You have still never presented evidence of anything other than a natural cause.
Over three hundred posts in just this thread and in over seven hundred thousand posts here at EvC, no one has ever presented evidence for any cause other than a natural cause.
Yes Virginia the conclusion is certainly sustainable and even supportable.
Until someone presents some evidence of something other than a natural cause a conclusion that any cause found will turn out to also be natural is not just reasonable but the only reasonable conclusion.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Modulous
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Message 321 of 986 (783624)
05-07-2016 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 318 by Dawn Bertot
05-07-2016 9:32 AM


Re: Show Me The Evidence
Do you have direct evidence of how this very detailed process you describe started
Yes or no
Yes.
This thread is about you trying to explain how there is science in creation. The state of affairs with evolution is mostly irrelevant. If you think it is flawed science, and you can't even meet that standard, you are failing miserably.
But this is typical behaviour. A creationist says they want to talk about creation, and they just complain about evolutionists, humanists and atheists. It's ridiculous and makes you look absurd.
You say the state of affairs of evolution is irelevant
Well there you go
Is there a reason you have decided to employ dishonesty?
My science for answers to unwittnessed events is indirect evidence based on available evidence
No it isn't.
Why is this not methodical in nature, even if it's not elaborate
Because you have not employed a method.

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Modulous
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Message 322 of 986 (783626)
05-07-2016 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 313 by Dawn Bertot
05-07-2016 9:12 AM


Re: Show Me The Evidence
Then yes indirect evidence is valid as science and valid as a
Scientific approach
Did I miss why
I have never claimed it is invalid as science.
I am simply claiming that what you are doing is invalid as science. Using indirect evidence doesn't turn what you are doing into science just because science uses indirect evidence any more than farting makes me astronaut because astronauts fart.

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 323 of 986 (783627)
05-07-2016 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 319 by Modulous
05-07-2016 9:35 AM


Re: Show Me The Evidence
No not admitting that until you show why indirect evidence is not valid, where design shows they are
Can you do that
All empirical reasoning is science If we don't use a distorted version of the word science like you do
What totality of evidence you idiot. You already admitted you don't have an answer as to the Why of things
Your totality of evidence amounts to no answers
I don't need supernatural entites to demonstrate your contradictory position
Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 324 of 986 (783628)
05-07-2016 9:48 AM
Reply to: Message 322 by Modulous
05-07-2016 9:39 AM


Re: Show Me The Evidence
It does if we don't use your limited secular definition of the word science, yes it does
You've perverted the word so explanations of causes can have no meaning and are therefore irelevant

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Modulous
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Message 325 of 986 (783630)
05-07-2016 9:56 AM
Reply to: Message 323 by Dawn Bertot
05-07-2016 9:44 AM


Re: Show Me The Evidence
No not admitting that until you show why indirect evidence is not valid
I've never claimed it is not valid. You have, however, said your reasoning isn't as good as scientific reasoning. Which sounds like admitting that you can't meet the standards of science, to me.
All empirical reason is science If we don't use a distorted version of the word science
Obviously, this is not true. If you insist on using science this way, then yes Creationism is science. Then, so are the miracles of Buddha and Muhammed, horoscopes, tarot cards, oneiromancy and the notion that the flooding of the Nile was at Osiris' command.
But evolution is superscience, a subset of science that can actually be relied upon. Creationism isn't superscience.
What totality of evidence you idiot.
Genetics, biogeography, the fossil record, geology, physics, astronomy, cosmology, climatology...you know what 'totality' means, right? It means everything. The total of all of it.
May I ask why you called me an idiot? It doesn't really fit with the theme of the question. It's not like it is foolish of me to talk about the evidence. Are you growing upset at the direction the thread is going in and are you blaming me and trying to impugn my intelligence as a desperate attempt to make you look or feel smarter than the fool you feel you are being exposed as?
You already admitted you don't have an answer as to the Why of things
No I didn't.
But if this is a failing, you have also failed here too. So it's a wash.
I don't need supernatural entites to demonstrate your contradictory position
No, you don't.
But you do need to provision evidence of supernatural entities if you want to claim that your theory that uses supernatural entities is scientific. I notice you are trying to goad, distract, hector and insult me. I was trying to treat your argument seriously, but you are reaching the point where I mock your childishness attempts to save face and leave you to your sound and fury.

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 326 of 986 (783631)
05-07-2016 10:00 AM
Reply to: Message 320 by jar
05-07-2016 9:37 AM


Re: Show Me The Evidence
Once again Jar, the natural logical conclusion of evolution, IS soley natural causes, whether you state it or not
Yes there are other ways to find causes other than natural causes. There is good evidence of design in natural things
The methodology of determining this follows very specific scientific reasoned principles
It's concfusions are as valid as any of those posited by evolutions conclusions
Or you are willing to face up to your conclusions, why they must exist and how you arrive at them

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jar
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Message 327 of 986 (783632)
05-07-2016 10:05 AM


782,442 posts at EvC and still no evidence of a cause other than natural.
Well once again this thread shows why Creationism is dead and worthless. Over 300 hundred posts, nearly 100 from Dawn Bertot himself as well as hundreds asking for evidence, begging Dawn to provide some evidence and yet not a single hint of there being any evidence for any causes other than natural causes or those causes from known designers that also just happen to be natural.
Sure, folk wander in whining about how Evolution is wrong but none have ever presented support for any alternative explanation.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

  
jar
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Message 328 of 986 (783633)
05-07-2016 10:10 AM
Reply to: Message 326 by Dawn Bertot
05-07-2016 10:00 AM


Re: Show Me The Evidence
Stop lying Dawn.
Dawn Bertot writes:
Once again Jar, the natural logical conclusion of evolution, IS soley natural causes, whether you state it or not
That is simply not true. What is true is that the Theory of Evolution explains the fact of evolution extremely well without requiring any causes other than natural ones.
I think this has been pointed out to you at least once Dawn.
Dawn writes:
Yes there are other ways to find causes other than natural causes. There is good evidence of design in natural things
First, even if that were true it is not evidence for anything other than natural causes and since you have still never produced any evidence of any cause other than natural ones the point you try to make is still moot and irrelevant.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 329 of 986 (783634)
05-07-2016 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 325 by Modulous
05-07-2016 9:56 AM


Re: Show Me The Evidence
But Modulous were not talking about evolution were talking about the conclusion evolution posits
There is no such thing as superscience anymore than there is anything called metaphysics, don't be silly it's just science
You say it's a wash. Yaaaaa think?
Unless we are reasonable correct in searching where the evidence leads.
Sorry for the idiot comment but really
Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 330 of 986 (783635)
05-07-2016 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 290 by Dawn Bertot
05-06-2016 7:19 PM


Re: Show Me The Evidence
If you think I missed something present it and I will respond to it.
You missed the bit where you showed us the evidence.

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