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Taq
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Message 76 of 93 (811605)
06-09-2017 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by Davidjay
06-08-2017 10:45 PM


Re: CHRISTIANS get along with SCIENCE
Davidjay writes:
Evolutionists/Atheists should get real and know biology instead of accepting demented non mathematical unscientific theories
Once again, Davidjay ignores the math that underpins the theory of evolution:
http://www.radford.edu/...ABLE_Workshop/Popgen_Equations.pdf
Why do Christians and facts not get along? Apparently, because they contradict their beliefs.

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Message 77 of 93 (811606)
06-09-2017 1:28 PM
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06-09-2017 1:21 PM


Re: CHRISTIANS get along with SCIENCE
Agreed, evolutionists and atheists dont get along with science because it goes against their religious belief system. hence they attempt to force it upon the young and even among the older, easily intimidated sheep.
Real Christians love to study design and the laws of design and laws of Nature that the Lord created and designed. real Christians dont worship science as if science itself is a god that created all things but realise science is just the set of laws and truths that describe what the Lord has done and how He created all things.
Evolutionists and atheists hate anything or anyone knowing more than them especially if they state that there is a GOD or a divinity above them. Why because evolutionists and atheists want to believe, they are the top predator and top dog.... or most advanced piece of 'dust' until into dust they return.........., when their time is up... and they go down.
Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...

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Taq
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Message 78 of 93 (811612)
06-09-2017 3:42 PM
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06-09-2017 1:28 PM


Re: CHRISTIANS get along with SCIENCE
Davidjay writes:
Agreed, evolutionists and atheists dont get along with science because it goes against their religious belief system.
Evolution and atheism aren't religions, so what are you on about?

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Message 79 of 93 (811615)
06-09-2017 3:55 PM
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06-09-2017 3:42 PM


Re: CHRISTIANS get along with SCIENCE
Evolution and atheism are BOTH religions...
Lets take evolution to start with...
I wont post the whole article because you wouldnt read it anyway... but Readers MIGHT and it would help them...
Onward Christian and nonChristioan Readers searching for truths...
Evolutionisareligion

Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...

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Taq
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Message 80 of 93 (811617)
06-09-2017 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Davidjay
06-09-2017 3:55 PM


Re: CHRISTIANS get along with SCIENCE
Davidjay writes:
Evolution and atheism are BOTH religions...
Evolution is a scientific theory and atheism is the lack of religious belief. Neither are religions.
I wont post the whole article because you wouldnt read it anyway... but Readers MIGHT and it would help them...
Onward Christian and nonChristioan Readers searching for truths...
Evolutionisareligion
If you can't tell the difference between a scientific theory and a religion, then why would I want to read your rants on the internet?

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Message 81 of 93 (811658)
06-10-2017 9:18 AM


PRAYER
I can take my telescope and look millions and millions of miles into space. But I can lay it aside, go into my room, shut the door, get down on my knees in earnest prayer, and see more of heaven and get closer to God than I can assisted by all the telescopes and material agencies on earth.
(Isaac Newton)
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 82 of 93 (811659)
06-10-2017 9:29 AM
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06-10-2017 9:18 AM


So, are you a Unitarian now, Faith ?

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Message 83 of 93 (811662)
06-10-2017 10:14 AM
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06-10-2017 9:18 AM


Honor Creator rather than Creation
Or you can look at the pic of the month and see the GLORY OF GOD, through a telescope...... take your pic, as seeing should be believing by the heathen but they give glory to luck and chance for the heavens and stars, and when looking through their microscopes and when seeing their own bodies.
Yet whether micro or macro, the design of the Lord can be seen and appreciated, or as 'Faith' mentions or as "Issac' mentioned just get on your hands and knees and see it without any aids.... either way or anyway, the Lords glories can be seen and appreciated if you have an open mind and heart.
But dont worship the Creation or the PIC OF THE MONTH Nebulus, honor the Creator rather than the Creation.
Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...

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Faith 
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Message 84 of 93 (811666)
06-10-2017 10:38 AM
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06-10-2017 9:29 AM


Ah well, I didn't know he was a Unitarian, but still it's a nice statement about prayer.

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Message 85 of 93 (811667)
06-10-2017 11:18 AM
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06-10-2017 10:38 AM


Newton's unorthodox religious beliefs - as well as his alchemy are quite well known.
He was an Arian as well.
But, the point is, that much as you like the sentiment of the prayer it is hardly meaningful, unless Newton did have a better understanding of God than an orthodox believer would be willing to grant.

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Message 86 of 93 (811668)
06-10-2017 11:30 AM
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06-10-2017 11:18 AM


Mystery solved
You forget, that the Almighty Creator can speak through someone in prayer to lead and quide them to all truth or a segment of the truth.
Honest sincere people can see the heavenlies in a vision etc.. as Faith made mention of, or they can listen and hear quidelines towards solving mysteries, when they ask in prayer. Prayer is a means to an end, a communication with someone much MUCH greater than ourselves who knows 'all things'
True seekers avail themselves of all true sources, for when they connect up, it works and makes sense and they make progress, regardless if heathen deny or false scientists deny, or if they call the seeker and FINDER (like Newton) a quake, an alchemist, or a UNitarian...etc etc.
Name calling a true scientists does not negate his or her true science discoveries of ETERNAL TRUTHS created by the CREATOR.
Mystery solved
Christianity gets along with true Science as true Science was created by the CHRISTIAN GOD, the God of all, the CREATOR.

Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...

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PaulK
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Message 87 of 93 (811674)
06-10-2017 11:44 AM
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06-10-2017 11:30 AM


Re: Mystery solved
So Unitarians and Arians are correct. OK.

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Faith 
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Message 88 of 93 (811687)
06-10-2017 2:19 PM
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06-10-2017 11:18 AM


I got the quote from an old Christian devotional book in a chapter about prayer. I suppose the authors didn't know of Newton's heresies, they just liked the quote about prayer. It's a good statement in any case although I wouldn't have expected such a heretic to have that sort of prayer life. Others quoted in the chapter express similar ideas, about how prayer brings one close to God and reveals things about Him. Newton WAS both a scientist and a believer in God who clearly did in fact pray.
There are others (I don't know if they are in this particular book) who are known to have heretical ideas yet somehow did have a deep spiritual life. Wesley and Finney come to mind, both with wrong doctrine but powerful spiritual lives. I have to suppose that God overlooks error in those who sincerely seek Him.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 89 of 93 (811688)
06-10-2017 2:40 PM
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06-10-2017 2:19 PM


And you miss the point again. If Newton's "closeness" to God mislead him, then it is rather unlikely that it is real closeness.

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Message 90 of 93 (811690)
06-10-2017 2:59 PM
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06-10-2017 2:40 PM


Serious enough error would produce a false spiritual life, but I'm not sure I could say where God draws the line.

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