On this day, let us all be proud of America

I believe that if the African American votes for McCain and Obama were switched so that all Obama got went to McCain and vise versa, the election would have went to McCain. I haven't done the math, however. What do you think? Edited by Buzsaw, : Got in a hurry. Fixed quotes.

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well, yea, i think a large number of people did vote for obama. he had the support of obviously most democrats, which consequently happen to be a majority of Atheist evolutionists, then he had majority vote from blacks, other minorities, women and off culture subjectives, like homosexuals. together, and inexhaustibly active, they compare in number to normal conservative Americans. thanks!

That's right, Herbert. There's more of us than there are of you!*diabolical laughter*Hey, I guess that means we're in the majority, eh? Which of course means you're not normal any more! (Not that you ever were, but now you've been stripped even of the argumentum ad numerum.)BTW, it would greatly aid communication if you used the little reply button down at the bottom of the message you are replying to.

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For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack ObamaWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

All I'm doing is extending subbie's point in his OP. He is pointing out (he can correct me if I'm wrong) that it is a remarkable event that a nation that has a long tradition of racism has finally elected a black American to its top leadership position. I was pointing out that it was an even remarkable feat considering all the other factors that were in play, like the Republicans' attempt to use his relationship with Ayers and Wright against him, a tactic that has worked for them in the past.

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Speaking personally, I find few things more awesome than contemplating this vast and majestic process of evolution, the ebb and flow of successive biotas through geological time. Creationists and others who cannot for ideological or religious reasons accept the fact of evolution miss out a great deal, and are left with a claustrophobic little universe in which nothing happens and nothing changes.
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You are a nutjob. So I guess if you are educated, black, a woman, or anyone who other than a white uneducated male than you are not a "normal American", huh?Many Independent voters like myself also voted for Obama. And many veterans who are not just "normal Americans" but people who put their live on the line for defending your rights and freedoms voted for him as well. So go take your white supremist, neo-nazi beliefs and stick them where the sun don't shine.

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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

I'm glad Asian Americans, Polynesian Americans, Native Americans, Mexican Americans, European Americans, African Americans (yes, there are more than blacks in Africa, wow!), Canadian Americans, Mediterranean Americans, Australian Americans and Caribbean Americans aren't educated or normal. I think you should keep your racist thoughts to yourself, buddy. I'm not talking about just white people. you had no reason to assume I was only talking about white people being "normal". for reference to my point, see "to the point". oh yea, BTW, I'm Japanese. thanks.

Let's do the math. According to CNN exit polls 13% of those who voted in the presidential election were African American and 95% of those African Americans voted for Obama. This means 12.35% of all voters were African Americans who voted for Obama. The popular vote was 52.9% vs 45.7 which is about a 7.2% spread. So yes, technically if a little over half of those 12.35% African American voters switched their vote to McCain (and the white and other minority votes stayed the same) he would have won.However, does it really matter now? The point is Obama is our president now so let's hope for the best and encourage him to succeed and not fail. If he fails, America fails. We need to get over our bipartisan differences and work for a better America. BTW I am neither a Democrat or a Republican so don't shoot the messenger.

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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

Than why are you slamming blacks, women and homosexuals in your previous post? Your statements could be construed as being racist by implying that blacks and minorities are not "normal conservative Americans" and I am sure I am not the only one who read it this way. How else should I have read this??? And BTW I am Jewish (by blood) and German so what does that have to do with anything?Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.

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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

You are of course quite correct and Buz, as usual, keeps missing the point by a mile.

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For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack ObamaWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

I never slammed them, i said the majority of those groups voted for obama. If you think it is derogatory to vote for obama, I'm really sorry you feel that way.on an honest note, I'm not ignorant and I never intended to slander anyone. it was set to illustrate divisive issues, that everyone should have already been aware of. yes, i am conservative, consequently placing me on the opposite end of the moral/principle bracket as liberals. that's the only politically charged thing i said. I only mentioned my national origin to demonstrate my not being white and my distance from 'American racism'.

You hit some of the spots in your message, but not all of them. Looking at your other messages, you seem to be highly erratic in your capitalizations.Such is something that I'm legendarily cranky about.NO REPLIES TO THIS MESSAGE. Just get those little fingers on "shift" more often. Proper writing style makes your messages easier to read and in general makes you look better (even if you are a political ding-dong ).AdminnemooseusEdited by Adminnemooseus, : Damn, I thought I had checked the "admin-mode" selection.

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It is more accurately referred to as the majority of voters. I am still registered Libertarian yet voted for Obama (finally voted for someone who actually won since 1976). My two main workers also voted for Obama after voting for Bush twice. If that is not enough to make your oversimplistic categorization of individuals warranted, I'm sure that you will find that the majority of Christians and others who believe in God, as myself, on this board also believe in evolution due to overwhelming evidence.I am also puzzled by your use of the term 'normal' conservative. Does your definition of conservative mean spending tax money like a drunken sailor (or 'airman') like Bush as opposed to fiscal conservatism? Does your definition mean to open national parks to mineral exploitation as opposed to conservation of natural resources as in Theodore Roosevelt mean conservative? Does the great desire to interfere with other nations regardless of actual threat as Bush employed against the clear meaning of Washington's farewell address mean conservative? Does the allowance of corporate corruption and complete lack of oversight, once again in opposition to the aforementioned TR, along with Taft, the true essence of conservatism? Does torture for 'fun' and the destruction of civil liberties the essence of what it means to be conservative?Was William F. Buckley a chicken farmer or an Ivy league elitist?So who would be the 'normal' conservative in your definition? Porfirio Diaz? Edited by anglagard, : provide link for those too intellectually lazy to look something up.Edited by anglagard, : add a space before Buckley sentence for emphasis. also replaced goat with chicken before farmer as a Palin 'wink' to those who are literate in historical studies.

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Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis BaconThe more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

Ok, I apoligize then for miscontruing your post. Though I still disagree with some of your political views. I have no problem with conservatives in some of their ideaologies (I am conservative myself on some issues such as abortion to an extant) but it seemed you were coming in from the extreme right field aka the racist white supremist "extreme right" field and now I realize I was wrong in that assumption. BTW I never said you were ignorant. BTW just because someone is not white, doesn't mean they can't be a racist.Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.

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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

Um, okay, you are glad that everybody* is ignorant? Because that's what you said. I don't have an issue with normal, as normality is completely relative and it's not all it's cracked up to be, but if you meant it derogatorily, well. But you're happy people are ignorant? That's just sad.*just about, as it seems the only group you left out are whites who have been here for more than a generation, but it depends on what you meant by european-american

The point is, your choice of words. It seems that you feel that only a conservative is a real American. Whether you mean this or not, it is imperative that you state your ideas so that they will not be misconstrued.

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