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I call upon all of you to wage a second American nonviolent revolution, to use civil disobedience, and to demand that this president leave town, to get up, to put the Quran down, to get up off his knees, and to figuratively come out with his hands up," said Larry Klayman of Freedom Watch, a conservative political advocacy group.

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Of course this is one guy. We cannot and should not tar Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin with thus simply because they were at the rally and did nothing to distance themselves from this nutcase.Right?

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The rally, billed as the "Million Vet March on the Memorials," drew far fewer than a million people and evolved into a protest that resembled familiar tea party events from 2009, with yellow "Don't Tread On Me" flags throughout the crowd and strong anti-Obama language from the podium and the audience.

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It's just one guy after all. amiright?

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Anti-Obama sentiments echoed throughout the crowd Sunday, with one protester yelling out "punk" to describe the president and one speaker saying Obama is not the president of "the" people but "his" people. Multiple signs read "Impeach Obama."

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"His" people? Surely that means all democrats of every ethnic persuasion. Yes I'll have the Kool Aide.

Wait a minute. I thought racism was supposed to be worse than xenophobia. Instead I see that xenophobia provides a buffet of people to hate? Wow. A chinese-american president? Please.

lol. (ambiguosly gender neutral snicker.)

I did find it somewhat hilarious that Dipshit McFacebook (aka Palin) is standing there with a bullhorn screaming about how using vets for political gain should NOT be tolerated, while standing there with Ted Cruz and a bunch of vets in the background.Oh the irony. :-)

I understand that veterans want to visit the memorial, but isn't the fact that disable veterans might not get their disability checks a wee bit more important? Why don't these partisans show up in front of Congress and rant about that?

Well, we did get this classy fellow standing in front of the White House: Certainly no implied racism there. :-)

One thing I will point out, the organizers for the Million vet march , on their facebook page, made the following statement. In other words, Cruz , Palin and Company HIJACKED the event without much a say so.

Once again, I'm compelled to repeat that there has not once been disagreement on the presence of racism within the Tea Party. I have agreed, repeatedly, that some or many or most members of the Tea Party are racist.I contend only with identifying the Tea Party as "a racist organization."The KKK is a racist organization. Racism is, in essence, a prerequisite to membership. The stated and official goals of the organization are inherently racist.The Tea Party, in contrast, certainly contains racists, but is not inherently a racist organization, and neither do I believe that every member of the Tea Party is a racist as would with the KKK.I could hypothetically hold a debate with Johnny Teabagger, who is not actually himself a racist, over the supposed wickedness of Obamacare, over made-up history like Obama raising taxes, and so on. It's even possibly however unlikely that Johnny Teabagger could be a Birther who is not actually a racist, who is legitimately convinced that Obama was born in Kenya, is unaware of the laws of citizenship beyond the location of one's birth, and would legitimately contend the eligibility of anyone born in a foreign nation to be President. In such a case, no accusations of racism would be accurate - Johnny is not actually a racist, he's just ignorant and misinformed and has had false beliefs continually introduced and reinforced by others. The fact that many or most of those others are motivated by racism has nothing to do with whether Johnny himself is a racist.I could not hypothetically have a discussion on the stated goals and purposes of the KKK with a non-racist member of the KKK. Racism would be inherent in the KKKs arguments, irrevocably so.I think there is an important distinction between an organization that is racist, as opposed to an organization that contains or indeed even attracts racists.Let me put this another way: certainly nearly all of the Tea Party racists mentioned thus far have been Republicans. Is the Republican Party a racist organization? I'm pretty sure we have a few Republicans on this board, and I don't believe I know any to be racists.

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It is a highly specific type of xenophobia which does not apply to people with Canadian citizenship (i.e. Cruz) but that does apply to a person of African descent.

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Michael Steele was head of the RNC for quite a while, and Herman Cain garnered a few votes in the last presidential Republican primary. Many viewed Colin Powell as a possible RNC presidential candidate at one time. There are also many hispanic TP'ers, one from the state I live in.

And do we know what the tea party thinks about any of those people?

You give them way too much credit.

"The Tea Party" thinks many things, as it is a collection of many individuals. I mean seriously, you just asked what "the Tea Party" thinks of some of its members. That's like asking what you and I think of you.

Sure. But if this were really the kind of percentages we are playing with, I think we'd just call them idiots and racists. You yourself say that Johnny is unlikely.But actually birthers make up only a fraction of the tea party, so your point is a lot more meaningful than is evident from your example. I'm sure there is a name for the logical fallacy in this argument. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

No Rahvin, it is not at all like asking what you and I think of you. It is more like asking what opinion EvC posters have of you, or me, or Faith.When we ask view a political group has of Colin Powell or Michael Steele, we are asking for a consensus view. No one would expect the response to mean that a view is unanimously held; few views are held that way. It is a perfectly legitimate question to ask what the Tea Party view of the ACA, or what Republicans or Democrats in general think of the representatives in Congress.You do have a point about the tarring of the tea party, but you've gone way beyond having a point with this last post. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Colin Powell could never be described as being a member of the Tea Party.As for Hermann and Michael. Well there were Native Americans that participated in the genocide of their own people. That doesn't mean that there was no genocide against the Native Americans.