To get a better idea of what I am talking about, firstly let me explain more about the mathematical numbers that appear in all of the natural world.
Here you commence talking about Pythagorean magic, that is, numerology / numerolatry. Yes, of course it works. So? That's proof of magic, not the Bible, of divinity rather than deity. And ouija boards do the job more impressively. If you are really interested in magical usage of Hebrew letters, a nice deck of cards will probably suit you best.
But magic isn't a satisfactory reconciliation of magic and science, as you seem to believe, far from it. It's the father of both, and bred them to fight, for a reason.
"It must have a natural cause." "It must have a supernatural cause."
Excellent response to this very unimpressive OP. I have been restraining myself from responding to the OP, because all I could come up with to say to Ms. Meyer was.
You're a nutball.
I knew that a response like that would not fly by the admins very well, and rightly so. Thanks for a wonderful post that just about says it all.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
Um, you do know I meant that as a compliment, don't you?
I had assumed so at the time but it would be disingenuous of me not to report that as I was out mowing the lawn just now it had occurred to me that I might have been a bit naive. Therefore, I just popped off an e-mail to the director of Hawaii's State Department of Health, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, to see if she could vouch for me. I'll let you know.
Can everyone see this black writing? I put this in to add things that I don't want to be intrusive. Like things that ruin jokes. I can see it plainly if I try, but might miss it if I didn't know it was there. Let me know is I should start using a bit more contrast, sayteal. Thanks.
It was such a toss-up between "Like things that ruin jokes." and "Things like sincerity."; but sincerity got the better of me so I went for jokes. How's that for irony?
"Mom! Ban Ki-moon made a non-binding resolution at me." Mohmoud Ahmadinejad
You people can think what you want, but I will tell you that it has some of the biggest and well renowned scientists pondering right about now!
One problem, The Hebrew alphabet didn't exist at the time of Moses. The Hebrew alphabet was an adaptation of the Phoenician alphabet , adapted during the reign of Solomon seveal hundred years after Moses.
Wikipedia writes: Phoenician became one of the most widely used writing systems, spread by Phoenician merchants across the Mediterranean world, where it was assimilated by many other cultures and evolved. Many modern writing systems thought to have descended from Phoenician cover much of the world. The Aramaic alphabet, a modified form of Phoenician, was the ancestor of the modern Arabic and Hebrew scripts. The Greek alphabet (and by extension its descendants such as the Latin, the Cyrillic and the Coptic), was a direct successor of Phoenician, though certain letter values were changed to represent vowels.
Firstly, no credible linguistic scholar can say with any confidence just were language or writing originated from. Yes, they can postulate on which ones they think came first, but this is really just all assumption.
Secondly, in my book I have a whole chapter that is dedicated to showing people how all written writing of the world is a form of the same Hebrew letters that came down with Moses from Mount Sinai. I have letter charts that show the similarity in letters from the earliest know/found eras. Even Phoenician, cuneiform, Chinese and Mayan are forms of Hebrew.
If you are familiar with the biblical books of Enoch and Jubilees... both books mention that Enoch was the first "scribe" in history. Enoch was the 7th generation from Adam and Eve and he lived pre-flood era. Enoch was the great grandfather of Noah. Enoch was taught this writing and language from G-d’s appointed angel "Uriel". Throughout the centuries this writing became mottled and irregular until it was later revised by G-d and given to Moses on Mount Sinai.
You've seen Moses's tablets? So you know that they are in the same font as later Hebrew writing?
You can rest assure that the Hebrew scribes copied them exactly as they were seen on the tablets and additionally written by Moses. Have you any idea of the rules that the Hebrew scribes had to abide by (and still do to this very day)? Research this for yourself, then get back to me.
When Moses was on Mount Sinai the letters were revised by G-d into their original proper forms. This style was called the Hebrew block style and was used to write the Hebrew Old Testament.
In my book I illustratively show how each and every one of the Hebrew letters are formed from one prototype form, which in turn are formed from natures law. If you think this isn’t amazing, try finding an alphabet in the world today that does this.
If one cannot see that there is intelligence here... might as well go amuse yourself with watching paint dry.
but I will tell you that it has some of the biggest and well renowned scientists pondering right about now!
Care to drop a name or two? OK, how about just one.
You can rest assure that the Hebrew scribes copied them exactly as they were seen on the tablets and additionally written by Moses.
Ok, lets say you were anywhere near correct in your assertion of the origin of the hebrew alphabet(which you aren't). Do you really believe that in the generations and generations of scribal copying there were no changes? Did your god divinely inspire each and every scribe? Since you claim we can "rest assure"(the saying is actually rest assured, this is one of those things pointed out earlier that you might want to work on if you want to be taken at least partially seriously) could you give us a reason or some evidence to make us "rest assure".
BTW, the majority of the OT is fable and allegory.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
The people who are allowed to think what they want haven't chimed in yet. Those who have are constrained in their thinking by facts and such. Your arguments so far have been designed to entice the gullible and deflect the criticism. You need to wield a spud bar for us skeptics and answer the criticism. So far you've introduced nothing to force us into line.
That "[N]o credible linguistic scholar can say with any confidence just were language or writing originated from."* does not imply a default position of X.
If you are familiar with the biblical books of Enoch and Jubilees... both books mention that Enoch was the first "scribe" in history.
If you are familiar with the book of Ayn Rand, it mentions a motor that gets its motive force from atmospheric static electricity. Guess what. Ain't true. (This is one of those arguments that only work if you're addressing believers; i.e., those people who are allowed to think whatever they want.)
In my book I illustratively show how each and every one of the Hebrew letters are formed from one prototype form, which in turn are formed from natures law.
Book schmook, I've got video. Everyone in Hollywood is formed from Angelina Jolie.
*I'd not know if this is true one way or the other, but my money is on you're wrong. P.S. Stop selling your book and start selling your argument.
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"Mom! Ban Ki-moon made a non-binding resolution at me." Mohmoud Ahmadinejad
but I will tell you that it has some of the biggest and well renowned scientists pondering right about now!
Care to drop a name or two? OK, how about just one.
Very soon they will become apparent! Read some of my reviews on Barnes and Noble.
You can rest assure that the Hebrew scribes copied them exactly as they were seen on the tablets and additionally written by Moses.
Ok, lets say you were anywhere near correct in your assertion of the origin of the hebrew alphabet(which you aren't). Do you really believe that in the generations and generations of scribal copying there were no changes? Did your god divinely inspire each and every scribe? Since you claim we can "rest assure"(the saying is actually rest assured, this is one of those things pointed out earlier that you might want to work on if you want to be taken at least partially seriously) could you give us a reason or some evidence to make us "rest assure".
Theodoric, have you studied ancient writing and script? There are many different styles of writing and even fancy writing, but generally the letters are visible enough to be the same.
BTW, the majority of the OT is fable and allegory.
This may be solely your assessment, but this is not so. It is based on some very strong science including archeology. In truth, the Bible has never been found to be incorrect!
Very soon they will become apparent! Read some of my reviews on Barnes and Noble.
In other words, no you can't. Why would I read reviews about drivel?
Theodoric, have you studied ancient writing and script?
Funny you should ask. I have not studied ancient writing and script, but there are people that post here that have. assume they think you ideas are so ludicrous they are not worth commenting on. What I have studied is European and American history. One thing I have learned is to never trust a copy. Never trust what someone says someone else wrote. Always find the original source. Numerous times the original is copied or quoted incorrectly. Some times this is purely an error, but many times it is done for a political or other reason.
There are many different styles of writing and even fancy writing, but generally the letters are visible enough to be the same.
I have no idea what your point is here. Are you saying that mistakes could never had happened in copying the religious tracts of the jewish people?
This may be solely your assessment, but this is not so. It is based on some very strong science including archeology. In truth, the Bible has never been found to be incorrect!
Do you really want to open up this can of worms.? Just looking at our favorite bible subject the flood, we can see that the bible is incorrect there. You might want to look at the other threads that discuss this fable. Unless of course, you have some scientific and archaeological evidence that shows it is not a fable. If you do it would probably be worth a few million dollars.
If you are going to come to this forum with this attitude and have no evidence to back your assertions you are going to be excoriated by the regulars. Have fun. Let the games begin.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
The Bible has never been found to be incorrect! Not!
It is based on some very strong science including archeology. In truth, the Bible has never been found to be incorrect!
Sorry, not correct.
I am a professional archaeologist and my own research in the United States has shown that the biblical flood story is incorrect.
This matches evidence from thousands of other archaeologists, as well as tens of thousands of other -ologists all over the world.
Just a sample: strata of the appropriate age, ca. 4,350 years ago, does not have evidence of a massive flood.
Another: we have mtDNA from before 4,350 years ago, and after that date, that are from the same exact lineage (numerous examples, including from my own work). Those populations were not wiped out by a flood ca. 4,350 years ago, but rather show continuity across that date.
The only conclusion possible is that the flood did not happen as claimed in the bible.
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
You can rest assure that the Hebrew scribes copied them exactly as they were seen on the tablets and additionally written by Moses. Have you any idea of the rules that the Hebrew scribes had to abide by (and still do to this very day)? Research this for yourself, then get back to me.
When Moses was on Mount Sinai the letters were revised by G-d into their original proper forms. This style was called the Hebrew block style and was used to write the Hebrew Old Testament.
In my book I illustratively show how each and every one of the Hebrew letters are formed from one prototype form, which in turn are formed from natures law. If you think this isn’t amazing, try finding an alphabet in the world today that does this.
Evidence please, not what you think, but physical evidence.
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Secondly, in my book I have a whole chapter that is dedicated to showing people how all written writing of the world is a form of the same Hebrew letters that came down with Moses from Mount Sinai. I have letter charts that show the similarity in letters from the earliest know/found eras. Even Phoenician, cuneiform, Chinese and Mayan are forms of Hebrew.
Please show some.
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You people can think what you want, but I will tell you that it has some of the biggest and well renowned scientists pondering right about now!
Names?
Firstly, no credible linguistic scholar can say with any confidence just were language or writing originated from.
And yet you are not a credible linguistic scholar and you apparently think that you know.
Secondly, in my book I have a whole chapter that is dedicated to showing people how all written writing of the world is a form of the same Hebrew letters that came down with Moses from Mount Sinai. I have letter charts that show the similarity in letters from the earliest know/found eras. Even Phoenician, cuneiform, Chinese and Mayan are forms of Hebrew.
How can syllabaries and ideographic writing be "forms of" an abjadic script?
If you are familiar with the biblical books of Enoch and Jubilees... both books mention that Enoch was the first "scribe" in history.
And Chinese myths say that it was Cāng Ji. So?
You can rest assure that the Hebrew scribes copied them exactly as they were seen on the tablets ...
On what grounds can we rest assured of it? Your say-so?
Have you any idea of the rules that the Hebrew scribes had to abide by (and still do to this very day)?
Yes. I also know when they date from.
When Moses was on Mount Sinai the letters were revised by G-d into their original proper forms. This style was called the Hebrew block style and was used to write the Hebrew Old Testament.
And you know this how?
In my book I illustratively show how each and every one of the Hebrew letters are formed from one prototype form, which in turn are formed from natures law.
Perhaps you could expand on this further.
If you think this isn’t amazing, try finding an alphabet in the world today that does this.
If you really think that letters this disparate:
י ש א ל
... are "formed from one prototype form", then I don't see of what system of writing one could not make such a claim.
If one cannot see that there is intelligence here... might as well go amuse yourself with watching paint dry.
Doubtless every system of writing was the product of intelligence. To be more specific, human intelligence. If you wish to attribute a particularly inefficient form of script to God Almighty, then I for one would like to see some evidence.
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