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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 121 of 206 (652650)
02-15-2012 9:57 AM
Reply to: Message 120 by Artemis Entreri
02-15-2012 9:56 AM


Re: A challenge
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Edited by Artemis Entreri, : No reason given.


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Message 122 of 206 (652653)
02-15-2012 10:13 AM
Reply to: Message 117 by subbie
02-14-2012 11:40 AM


Re: A challenge
Subbie and Artemis, lets nip this one in the bud.
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Message 123 of 206 (652664)
02-15-2012 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 120 by Artemis Entreri
02-15-2012 9:56 AM


Re: A challenge
AE writes:

Is it so hard to stay on topic? yet another post of you talking shit.

LOL@U


You seem determined to prove Subbie correct - laudable, but self-defeating.

You have been pwned by your own trolling.


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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 124 of 206 (653650)
02-23-2012 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Cat Sci
02-15-2010 10:02 PM


Re: Representative Leadership
Erm, in light of the 10th Amendment I'd have to disagree.

Or would you prefer a Federal State of America as opposed to just a bunch of united ones?

shhhh this is a NO STATES RIGHTS message board, they'll get all over your ass for that kind of talk in these parts.


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Message 125 of 206 (653665)
02-23-2012 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by Artemis Entreri
02-23-2012 11:27 AM


Re: Representative Leadership
And now you are going to respond to a 2 year old post to try to make some sort of point?

Not sure what the point you are trying to make is. Cryptic words actually mean nothing.

Wow the smell of desperation reeks.

Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.


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OpticalIllusions
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Message 126 of 206 (659477)
04-16-2012 8:01 AM


America and the founding fathers may not be "Christian" but we put "in God we trust" on the money for a reason. The founding fathers never said they wanted everyone to be atheist, just that they could worthship their own personal God. Notice how it doesn't say "in Gods we trust". None of the founding fathers believed in old disproven pagan Gods.

Of course I believe people should be allowed to be atheist, or pagan (just because quantum physics proves ther is a God doesn't mean people should be forced to believe in Him). I just don't think America is an atheist or pagan country just because some people are that way. That would be like saying we are a racist country just because some people are racist.

America is a democracy, and if we all voted, I think we would be overall christian and overall not racist.


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Message 127 of 206 (659478)
04-16-2012 8:07 AM
Reply to: Message 126 by OpticalIllusions
04-16-2012 8:01 AM


America and the founding fathers may not be "Christian" but we put "in God we trust" on the money for a reason.

Really? Do you really think that the founding fathers put "in god we trust" on the money? Wrong answer. The national motto, my disillusioned, misguided friend, is "e pluribus unum" which means "Out of many, one". Go ahead, look it up. You've got time. In god we trust was put there in the 1950's due to the red scare.

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OpticalIllusions
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Message 128 of 206 (659479)
04-16-2012 8:12 AM
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04-16-2012 8:07 AM


I know the founding fathers didn't put it on the money, that's a strawman arguement. I meant "we" as in "the country as it is now". If I meant the founding fathers I would have said "they".

The fact remains that is *IS* there on our money and if God didn't exist then our money would be worthless because trust is the foundation of an IOU, which is what money basically is. Obviously America is christian enough for the money system to work.


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hooah212002
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Message 129 of 206 (659484)
04-16-2012 8:41 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by OpticalIllusions
04-16-2012 8:12 AM


that's a strawman arguement.

Um, no, it's not. You tied the founding fathers into your comment about having "in god we trust" on our currency. What does one have to do with the other? Nothing.

The fact remains that is *IS* there on our money and if God didn't exist then our money would be worthless because trust is the foundation of an IOU, which is what money basically is. Obviously America is christian enough for the money system to work.

I am not even sure how to respond to that. It has got to be one of the silliest arguments I have ever encountered. The US dollar is not based on any deity. By your standard, the British Pound is based on the reality of evolution since it has Darwin on it.


"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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jar
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Message 130 of 206 (659493)
04-16-2012 10:11 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by OpticalIllusions
04-16-2012 8:12 AM


Gotta Call "POE!"
But you are one of the most interesting Poes yet.

Congratulations.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 131 of 206 (659527)
04-16-2012 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by OpticalIllusions
04-16-2012 8:12 AM


I know the founding fathers didn't put it on the money, that's a strawman arguement. I meant "we" as in "the country as it is now". If I meant the founding fathers I would have said "they".
The fact remains that is *IS* there on our money and if God didn't exist then our money would be worthless because trust is the foundation of an IOU, which is what money basically is. Obviously America is christian enough for the money system to work.

Wow. If this is an insight into the economic views of conservatives then this is REALLY scary. I guess they never heard of credit ratings? Or what really backs a currency (hint: it isn't a magical guy in the sky)?


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Message 132 of 206 (659529)
04-16-2012 1:22 PM
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04-16-2012 1:15 PM


I agree with jar. This is just a wind-up, a "Poe". The same poster has sprinkled stupid all over many moribund threads, and no-one is as stupid as he pretends to be. Even Dawn Bertot isn't that stupid. Cold Foreign Object wasn't that stupid. No-one is that stupid. It's just a troll trying to wind us up. Look at his posting history to check. No-one can be as stupid as he is pretending to be.

Though he must be fairly stupid, because you have to be quite fucking stupid for your hobby to be pretending to be completely stupid. So yes, he is a moron. But he is not sincere.


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Message 133 of 206 (659532)
04-16-2012 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by OpticalIllusions
04-16-2012 8:12 AM


Hi once again OpticalIllusions,

Message 126: America and the founding fathers may not be "Christian" but we put "in God we trust" on the money for a reason. ...

And when we look at the time that it was sneaked into being on the money, the way it was implemented, and why those that put it there did it, we see that it was over-reactive knee bending fear of "communism" that was the impetus.

... The founding fathers never said they wanted everyone to be atheist, just that they could worthship their own personal God. ...

Correction: that anyone could believe what they wanted when it came to religion, and have the right to do so without persecution.

... Notice how it doesn't say "in Gods we trust". None of the founding fathers believed in old disproven pagan Gods.

See above for who when and why. The who when and why had nothing to do with the founding fathers, but with weak-kneed politicians and bureaucrats.

Many of the founding fathers were deists, where god is more of a generic term.

The fact remains that is *IS* there on our money ...

Which is a testament to what weak-kneed, communist fearing ignorant people can do. Certainly it was not put there due to democratic consensus.

Obviously America is christian enough for the money system to work.

Not obvious at all. The god in question could be Vishnu.

What gives money value is the willingness of people to exchange goods for it.

Enjoy.


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Message 134 of 206 (659538)
04-16-2012 2:35 PM
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04-16-2012 1:22 PM


I don't know. I don't think he's said anything near as clueless as Buz, and Buz has been saying the same crap for years.

I grant you, there's reason to suspect. But the very fact that we have Buz and his ilk is the very reason it's quite impossible to tell for sure if someone is being sincere or just pulling your chain. After all, that is what Poe's law says.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 135 of 206 (659662)
04-17-2012 9:44 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Percy
02-14-2010 8:15 AM


George Washington got all his advice from a christian man, a friend of his.that concerned the USA back then.There are letters that prove this. So what does that say about George Washington?
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