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Author Topic:   Is the human fetus a parasite according to science?
galerouth
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Message 1 of 10 (652013)
02-11-2012 4:52 PM


THIS IS SCIENCE:
FETUS IS NOT A BABY (GOOGLE THE HUMAN DEVELOPMENT CHART), but a parasite because the classification of the biological relationship that is based on the behavior one organism (fetus) and how it relates to the woman's body:

as a zygote, it invaded the woman's uterus using its TROPHOBLAST cells, hijacked her immune system by using NEUROKININ B and HCG--- so her body doesn't kill it, steals her nutrients to survive, and causes her harm or potential death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophoblast

"The placenta functions as an immunological barrier between the mother and the fetus, creating an immunologically privileged site. For this purpose, it uses several mechanisms:
It secretes Neurokinin B containing phosphocholine molecules. This is the same mechanism used by parasitic nematodes to avoid detection by the immune system of their host.[2]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immune_tolerance_in_pregnancy

" Due to its highly-negative charge, hCG may repel the immune cells of the mother, protecting the fetus during the first trimester. It has also been hypothesized that hCG may be a placental link for the development of local maternal immunotolerance."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_chorionic_gonadotropin

"It is also possible for a symbiotic relationship to exist between two organisms of the same species."
http://www.answers.com/topic/symbiosis -- Gale's Science of Everyday Things.

just like a parasitic twin --- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitic_twin

"an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it"
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/parasite

pregnancy CAUSES HARM: http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm

THE FETUS DOESN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO FEEL PAIN --WHEN MOST ABORTIONS OCCUR.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/...-pain-uk-report-says-no.html

http://answers.yahoo.com/...W_0x8UN0IF6JETEDJuVEjzKIX;_ylv=3

and what do you feel about this:

THE BIBLE:
the bible supported abortion, that was done by a priest, in god's name, in his holly temple!
the 1984 NIV footnote of numbers 5:11-31 explained what "to thy thigh to rot, they belly to swell" meant: numbers 5:21 "or causes you to have a miscarrying womb and barrenness" to CAUSE a miscarrying womb IS an abortion.

'Ephraim, as I saw Tyre, is planted in a pleasant place; but Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer." Give them, O LORD -- what wilt Thou give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts...Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit; yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.'

HOSEA 9-16

the judeo-christian god is a myth and historical evidence proves it.
3.3.3 ATHEISM: A HISTORY OF GOD (Part 1) Evid3nc3
2nd Foundational Falsehood of Creationism-AronRa
Why do people laugh at creationists? (part 36)- Thunderf00t
Why do people laugh at creationists? (part 29)
Why do people laugh at creationists? (part 28)

http://www.evilbible.com/god
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/abortion.html

THIS IS THE LAW:
ABORTION IS A CIVIL AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT SUPPORTED BY THE RIGHTS TO PRIVACY, THE EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE OF THE 14TH AMENDMENT, AND THE 13TH AMENDMENT.

NO HUMAN ( that means the FETUS, too) has a right to life or any due process rights by the 14th amendment to use another human's body or body parts AGAINST their will, civil and constitutional rights: that's why you are not forced to donate your kidney---the human fetus is no exception; this is supported by the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment AND 13th amendment, which makes reproductive slavery unconstitutional.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause

"Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/...to_the_United_States_Constitution

this makes viability unconstitutional because pregnancy is not a crime.

consensual sex=/= a legal, binding contract to an unwanted fetus to live; and abortion is not murder, the unlawful killing with intent.

Edited by AdminModulous, : near gibberish screed that has been flooded to various blogs/news commentaries and forums by this username has been hidden. You can press 'peek' if you are really interested to read it.


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Message 2 of 10 (652021)
02-11-2012 7:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by galerouth
02-11-2012 4:52 PM


Fundamentalist Spam
http://www.google.com/...p=c3fe1decc135fe9e&biw=1398&bih=766

7,710 hits. This is nothing but fundamentalist spam.

If you have something to say, then say it in your own words. Because then there might be a chance that you will be able to carry on a discussion. Whereas by posting spam without providing any evidence that you had given any thought to it, you are guaranteeing that you will not engage in discussion, but simply be a fundamentalist Christian troll.


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Message 3 of 10 (652022)
02-11-2012 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by galerouth
02-11-2012 4:52 PM


What is your point?
Someone could be accurately described as a parasite at any stage of their life.

A parasite to their spouse.
A parasite to society.
A parasite to the planet.

So, by your logic, we can kill anyone who becomes a parasite.
I suspect that you would not want to be instantly killed if you fell into a coma.


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Message 4 of 10 (652024)
02-11-2012 7:15 PM


Speaking as a Christian
of course abortion is not murder. But that has nothing to do with parasites.

It is simply a fact that abortion is not murder.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 5 of 10 (652027)
02-11-2012 8:12 PM


A classic example
of trolling.

Enjoy


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Message 6 of 10 (652028)
02-11-2012 8:14 PM
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02-11-2012 7:05 PM


Re: Fundamentalist Spam
dwise1 writes:

7,710 hits. This is nothing but fundamentalist spam.

If you have something to say, then say it in your own words. Because then there might be a chance that you will be able to carry on a discussion. Whereas by posting spam without providing any evidence that you had given any thought to it, you are guaranteeing that you will not engage in discussion, but simply be a fundamentalist Christian troll.

Say what? Fundamentalist spam? Fundamentalist Christian troll? Whatever in his OP implicated Christianity or fundamentalist (I assume Christian) spam?

We get spam from all sides. As I have cited in a previous thread, there are far more evolutionists posting troll messages than there are Christian fundamentalists doing so here at EvC.

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Message 7 of 10 (652041)
02-11-2012 10:58 PM
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02-11-2012 8:14 PM


Re: Fundamentalist Spam
Not a single word of that "post" was his own, but rather has been blathered at least 7,710 times over the Internet.

It's his very first post here. Not a single word was his own. The post itself is a typical fundamentalist exercise in twisting and distorting definitions of words, no different from any of similar fundamentalist crap I've seen for the past 40 years.

As for what indicates it's Christian (prominent Bible versions perhaps?) or fundamentalist (the entire tone of the farce), after 40 years of exposure to such excrement, the stench is readily identifiable.

Non-creationists do not need to post troll messages, nor is it a part of their culture. Posting troll messages is very much a part of the fundamentalist and creationist cultures. Indeed, one of the surest ways to take them completely by surprise is to take their message seriously and try to discuss it with them. I learned decades ago that the surest way to anger a creationist is to try to seriously discuss his claims with him; they really hate that!

Spam is as spam does. Fundamentalists really don't have anything more to work with.


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Message 8 of 10 (652053)
02-12-2012 3:41 AM
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02-11-2012 10:58 PM


Re: Fundamentalist Spam
Just another drive-by posting.

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Message 9 of 10 (652072)
02-12-2012 8:27 AM


I didn't even know for sure what for position he was taking. It was just a bunch of odd pro-abortion quotes and then a pro-life conclusion at the end without any argumentation.
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Message 10 of 10 (652079)
02-12-2012 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by galerouth
02-11-2012 4:52 PM


Hi Gale,
You've posted this about a bajillion times to different websites over the past couple of weeks (I haven't checked them all, but your name seems to be coming up a lot).
EvC won't be visibly hosting it. Fear not, many of the numerous blogs, news commentary sections and forums that you have posted this to will keep it up for you and I'm only hiding it - it will be visible to the genuinely curious.
We'd be happy if you decide to stick around and contribute to the ongoing discussion here, but your scattergun approach to posting this piece doesn't give me much hope for that prospect.
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