Hi JRTjr,
JRTjr writes:
I would like to suggest here that you do some research on what God means when He speaks of ‘Death’. {I believe Luke 9: 60, Ephesians 2: 1, and Colossians 2:13 would be a good place to start.}
I am very familiar with those verses.
Luke 9:60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Each of these is referring to mankind who is separated from God because the man formed from the dust of the ground that was placed in the Garden disobeyed a direct command of God and ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Because of his disobedience all mankind was separated from God, when God kicked the man out of the Garden.
Genesis 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
What kind of death did God have the writer of Hebrews tell us that we all have to die. I think this is physical death.
Nobody has to die the second death because Jesus did that for them if they will only accept the free full pardon offered by God.
Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
The second death is eternal separation from God. And since mankind is already separated from God because of the sin of one man he must be born again to escape the penalty of the second death.
There is no escape from the penalty of the first death.
JRTjr writes:
I am not aware of an ‘Adam 2.0’ created after the first ‘Adam’ created by God.
There is no Adam 1.0 or 2.0.
There is a man formed from the dust of the ground that God breathed the breath of life into and that form became a living being. Genesis 2:7.
There is mankind that is created male and female in the image/likeness of God in Genesis 1:26, 27.
adam is the transliteration of the Hebrew word for mankind, or man. It is not a proper name like Cain or Abel.
The translators did not translate the Hebrew word they used the English letter equivalent of the Hebrew letter.
JRTjr writes:
If I am understanding your hypothesis correctly; you’re saying that we are descendants of ‘Adam 1.0’ {Genesis chapter one} and that ‘Adam 2.0’ {Genesis chapter two} physically died in the 24-hour ‘day’ that he eat from the tree that God told him not to. Correct?
My hypothesis as you call it goes like this.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
This day is a light period that ends in Genesis 1:2.
Day is determined by God's definition in:
Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
God called the light portion Day.
God called the dark portion Night.
God called the combination of the light that ended with evening and the morning which ended the dark period of Genesis 1:2 the first Day.
During the light portion of the day of Genesis the generations/history of the heavens and the earth was given in the verses that followed Genesis 2:4.
In Genesis 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
In Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul/being.
In Genesis 2:8 God planed a garden eastward in Eden and put the man there.
In Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
In Genesis 2:10-14 Tells us of a river that divides into 4 rivers.
In Genesis 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
In Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
In Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
In Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
In Genesis 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
In Genesis 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
In Genesis 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
In Genesis 3:1-6 Satan speaking through the serpent convinced the woman she would become as God by eating the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
She then gave to the man and he did eat.
Then we have the blame somebody else game begin.
God chased them out of the garden.
In Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
4:2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
In Genesis 4:3 And in process 7093 of time 3117 it came to pass, that Cain 7014 brought 935 of the fruit 6529 of the ground 127 an offering 4503 unto the LORD 3068.
Strongs numbers are provided so you can look up the words and definitions for yourself.
Hebrew word qets which means end is translated "And in process" 7093.
Many think this process is days, weeks, or months. That's not supported.
Hebrew word yowm which God defined as a light period or the combination of a light period and a dark period is translated "of time" 3117.
In Genesis 4:8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
In Genesis 4:17-24 We have the generations of the man formed from the dust of the ground through his firstborn son Cain.
There is no ages given for anyone.
There was no way to tell time as it was just existence in a light period that ended in the evening found in Genesis 1:2.
Couple that evening with the dark period that ended with morning God declared that the first Day.
Beginning at Genesis 1:3 we have the restoration of the earth as found in Genesis 1:2 that it might be inhabited again by mankind.
In the following verses we have great whales created in Genesis 1:21.
We have mankind created in Genesis 1:27.
Everything else was brought forth after their kind and the vegetation from the seed that was on the ground after their kind.
JRTjr writes:
If ‘Adam 2.0’ physically died in the 24-hour ‘day’ that he eat from the tree that God told him not to then why would God tell ‘Adam 2.0’ that, as part of his punishment for eating the forbidden fruit he would have to
toil the ground
All of the days of his life?
{Genesis 3: 17}
yowm a masculine noun is not plural. The markings that make it plural was not added until somewhere between 600 AD and 1000 AD.
JRTjr writes:
It also accurse to me that the Bible states that sin came into the world through Adam’s sin.{Romans 5: 12} If ‘Adam 2.0’ physically died in the 24-hour ‘day’ that he eat from the tree that God told him not to then how was his sin transmitted?
Why does it have to be transmitted?
Sin is not inheritable.
And yes by one man sin entered into the universe. The penalty for that sin is death.
And yes man was separated from God by the man eating the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
This man did not have the knowledge of good and evil until he ate the fruit and his eyes was opened to evil. This man was not created in the image/likeness of God. Had he been he would have had the knowledge of good and evil.
Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Man had become like God, knowing good and evil.
When he ate the fruit God had to drive him out of the garden lest he eat of the tree of life and live forever with sin in his members.
JRTjr writes:
I pray I have given you food for thought; you certainly have given me many things to consider.
You supplied a fantastic piece of information. I have been arguing that the man formed from the dust was not created in the image/likeness of God and it became clear why the Holy Spirit had put those thoughts in my mind as I typed this post to you.
Had the man formed from the dust of the ground been in the image/likeness of God he would have known good and evil. He would not have become like God knowing good and evil.
So thanks for the food.
I think that was the last piece of the puzzle that I needed.
God Bless you and yours,
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