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Author Topic:   What if Jesus and Satan were real?
ringo
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Message 451 of 591 (727315)
05-17-2014 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 434 by Blue
05-16-2014 11:24 PM


Re: Satan
Blue writes:
God is judging the wicked because God permitted their life.
Which brings me back to my previous point: How do you know God isn't the wicked one? Destroying the earth with a flood sounds pretty wicked to me. Sending billions to everlasting torment sounds wicked to me. Who could possibly be more wicked than God?
If Jesus and Satan were real, how would you know which is which?

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Blue
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Message 452 of 591 (727317)
05-17-2014 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 381 by ringo
05-15-2014 2:08 PM


Re: Satan
There is no assumption. It is a conclusion. Did you not read where it is written "the lord said unto the serpent because thou has done this, thou are cursed..." Gen 3:14.
The serpent was being deceptive. Eve told the serpent, she would die, the serpent said no you wont. Result man dies, hence the great fall. Hence why we die.. You know, why we return to dust...
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Blue
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Message 453 of 591 (727318)
05-17-2014 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 451 by ringo
05-17-2014 11:55 AM


Re: Satan
Hence why God is holy. How do I know God is not evil? = revelation, biblical theology and satanic studies.
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Blue

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Blue
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Message 454 of 591 (727320)
05-17-2014 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 337 by AZPaul3
05-10-2014 11:53 PM


Re: Batter Up!
I didn't bite the dust. I was just done with your nonsense.

Sincerely
Blue

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Blue
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Message 455 of 591 (727321)
05-17-2014 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 290 by ringo
05-07-2014 11:41 AM


Re: Satan
I said or otherwise. Have you read satanic books before?

Sincerely
Blue

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Message 456 of 591 (727322)
05-17-2014 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by MFFJM2
05-07-2014 6:40 AM


I will be responding to you in time.
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Blue

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 457 of 591 (727327)
05-17-2014 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 452 by Blue
05-17-2014 12:01 PM


Re: Satan
I'm going to try to gather up some of these threads into one post. In future, please quote what you're refering to so I don't have to hunt all over th topic for it.
Blue writes:
You seem to hate on the Bible and tend to ignore the original context of messages in the Bible. Message 445
I have more respect for the Bible than you do. I accept it for what it is; I don't twst it to make it fit some twisted theology.
I have quoted to you directly from the Bible and you have said, "Nuh uh. It doesn't say what it says. It says black is white."
Blue writes:
If God is perfect the Bible is perfect. Message 448
We know the Bible isn't perfect.
Blue writes:
I'm saying if God says it's law it is law.Message 449
And I'm saying that if that's God's attitude, lock phasers. That's how we deal with uppity aliens.
Blue writes:
Eve told the serpent, she would die, the serpent said no you wont. Message 452
There you go twisting the Bible. In Genesis 2:17 God said, "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. In Genesis 3:5 the serpent said, "For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." And in Genesis 3:22 God confirmed that the serpent had told the truth: "And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:"
ABE, responding to another post:
Blue writes:
How do I know God is not evil? = revelation, biblical theology and satanic studies. Message 453
If God was evil, the "revelations would be deceptive, the Biblical theology would be unrelaiable and the "satanic studies" would be God's anti-Satan propaganda. So you don't "know" at all; you're only looking at one side of the story.
Edited by ringo, : Added response to anothr post.
Edited by ringo, : Added link.

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Blue
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Message 458 of 591 (727336)
05-17-2014 1:18 PM
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05-17-2014 12:26 PM


Re: Satan
I don't need to respond since your post is self defeating. Anyone interested in understanding the fall, read scripture.
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Blue

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 459 of 591 (727337)
05-17-2014 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 458 by Blue
05-17-2014 1:18 PM


Re: Satan
Blue writes:
Anyone interested in understanding the fall, read scripture.
I quoted scripture to you. Your claims about "the fall" are not there.

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Blue
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Message 460 of 591 (727340)
05-17-2014 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 459 by ringo
05-17-2014 1:26 PM


Re: Satan
They are.. The only issue with my post anyone will understand by reading Gen 3. What the Serpent said to Eve is clearly deceptive. The point that he told the truth doesn't change that he was deceptive. It also doesn't change that the Serpent was judged.
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Sincerely
Blue

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 461 of 591 (727343)
05-17-2014 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 460 by Blue
05-17-2014 1:35 PM


Re: Satan
Blue writes:
The point that he told the truth doesn't change that he was deceptive.
The truth is deceptive?

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Blue
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Message 462 of 591 (727352)
05-17-2014 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 461 by ringo
05-17-2014 2:47 PM


Re: Satan
Yes

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Blue

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Blue
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Message 463 of 591 (727353)
05-17-2014 3:48 PM
Reply to: Message 461 by ringo
05-17-2014 2:47 PM


Re: Satan
The focus is not what he said.

Sincerely
Blue

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Blue
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Message 464 of 591 (727357)
05-17-2014 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 461 by ringo
05-17-2014 2:47 PM


Re: Satan
The focus of the story is clearly on the Serpent "convincing" Eve, to eat from the tree. The Serpent knew they would die. How else would Adam and Eve know they would learn the knowledge of good and evil? God didn't tell the humans it was the tree of good and evil. If the Serpent was an internal adversary it wouldn't of known it was the tree of good and evil. You also need to read verse 1 where it reads "now the Serpent was more SUBTIL than any beast of the field". Then in verse 2 it leads up to the Serpent asking the question. This is a deceptive plot. It's not even a difficult thing to conclude.. Do you really want to argue the meaning of Subtil and How it applies? Crafty, SLY, Shrewd, Prudent... This definition of Subtil is based on the Hebrew lexicon.
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Blue

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 465 of 591 (727360)
05-17-2014 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 464 by Blue
05-17-2014 4:04 PM


Re: Satan
Blue writes:
How else would Adam and Eve know they would learn the knowledge of good and evil? God didn't tell the humans it was the tree of good and evil.
quote:
Genesis 2:16-17 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

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