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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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Documents from the Mueller investigation were obtained by Buzzfeed under Freedom of Information requests.
Mueller Memos Plenty of interest there - such as the fact that Manafort continued to advise the Trump campaign after he was fired.
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Taq Member Posts: 10038 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Yovanovitch and McKinley have the trascripts of their testimony released:
Impeachment inquiry: Committees release first transcripts of closed-door testimony Time to throw the popcorn in the microwave.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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This one has brought a little warm glow of satisfaction to my day:
Virginia elects woman who gave president the finger. Virginia elects woman who gave president the finger - BBC NewsCould there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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What's so funny is that our President is the guy who could not even make a success of casinos and beauty pageants.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Trump is making war on our own intelligence community.
He and AG Barr are asking foreign governments to help them undermine the credibility of our own intelligence services. The goal is to show that Russia was not the culprit in manipulating the US election. This is over to top, except it really isn't considering the BS these Putin sycophants have already pulled.
Dispatches Blog quote: We need to jail this son of a bitch.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
I agree. We should.
Is it a crime under American law for a any AG to tell blatant lies to everyone in the world, in reports, on television, etc. in order to cover the crimes of a President? Telling lies just to keep on misleading the stupid people who just support him, come what may? Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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First Amendment allows all Americans to lie through our teeth. Only exceptions, seldomly enforced, are claims of drug, health, disease cures that may be harmful. Nothing political can be touched. Only recourse is to widely expose the lies and the liars to subject them to public shame. But this is Trump America. We The People just don't care.
Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Taq Member Posts: 10038 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
AZPaul3 writes: First Amendment allows all Americans to lie through our teeth. There are also exceptions for libel and slander. Interestingly, there is a woman suing Trump for defamation because he accused her of lying when she said that Trump sexually assaulted her.
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Taq Member Posts: 10038 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Pressie writes: Is it a crime under American law for a any AG to tell blatant lies to everyone in the world, in reports, on television, etc. in order to cover the crimes of a President? I think Barr could be accused of obstruction of justice if he carries out a misinformation campaign meant to hide hide crimes. He could also be impeached for lying to the public. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5948 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
Yet interestingly, what I heard yesterday is that Trump ordered Barr to have a press conference to tell the public that Trump did not break any law with his Ukrainian phone call and Barr wouldn't do it. For that matter, Barr's reaction to Trump implicating Barr in that entire "drug deal" (Bolton's name for it) has been to distance himself from Trump and deny any knowledge or involvement with that particular shite-show.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
There are also exceptions for libel and slander. Pressie's question was whether it was a crime. Libel and slander are tort claims not really crimes per se. I supposed they might be considered crimes against an individual's ego but I didn't consider them crimes against society in the way I took Pressie's question. I may be wrong about the legality but I'll sue anyone who tries to tell me different. Except you have the right to call me wrong so I 'm wrong about sueing which might allow a tort claim on your part. I apologize profusely.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Taq Member Posts: 10038 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
dwise1 writes: Yet interestingly, what I heard yesterday is that Trump ordered Barr to have a press conference to tell the public that Trump did not break any law with his Ukrainian phone call and Barr wouldn't do it. It would appear that Barr isn't willing to go down with the ship. Some are also wondering what he knows about the SDNY investigation into Guiliani, and if that is informing his decision to distance himself from the Trump administration. When the poop starts moving towards the fan it is best to leave the room.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 755 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Those who love the law and sausages should never watch either being made - Bismarck, I think......
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Taq Member Posts: 10038 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
AZPaul3 writes: Libel and slander are tort claims not really crimes per se. I supposed they might be considered crimes against an individual's ego but I didn't consider them crimes against society in the way I took Pressie's question. There is no federal criminal defamation law, but some states do have criminal defamation laws. I guess we can both be right since there are states where there you won't face criminal charges for defamation.
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Coragyps writes: Those who love the law and sausages should never watch either being made - Bismarck, I think...... I'd never heard this quote before, and it didn't sound to me like something Bismarck would say. I suspected an unknown origin but tried to look it up. It's not in Bartlett's under Otto von Bismarck, and it isn't in the Bartlett's index, but I did find a webpage about it: Laws are Like Sausages. Better Not to See Them Being Made. Though the quote is widely attributed to Bismarck, it concludes John Godfrey Saxe as the more likely author. --Percy
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