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Percy
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Message 766 of 892 (796187)
12-24-2016 12:30 PM
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12-24-2016 12:15 PM


Re: Feeling Post Election Trauma
Oops! Link fixed. That message still got two votes - apparently iOS statistics are popular.
--Percy

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Message 767 of 892 (796188)
12-24-2016 12:43 PM
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12-24-2016 12:15 PM


Re: Feeling Post Election Trauma
I googled the headline and got
I have never seen anything quite like the grief being felt by the majority of American voters who did not vote for Donald Trump.
quote:
I have never seen anything quite like the grief being felt by the majority of American voters who did not vote for Donald Trump.
Back in 1980, there was disappointment among Democrats when Ronald Reagan won. In 2000, after the long Florida recount and the intrusion of the Supreme Court into the decision, there were plenty of upset people who thought Al Gore, not George W. Bush, deserved to be president. But the losing voters in those elections were not despondent. They were not breaking out in tears weeks later. They were not waking up each morning with feelings of dread about what was to come.
This time it is different and, in my experience, unique. This is not simply a case of Hillary Clinton supporters being bad losers. For most of those who feel traumatized by what happened on Nov. 8, this is not about the candidate who won the popular vote, yet lost the election. It is about the candidate who was picked as president by the electoral college on Monday. People are mourning because the fate of their country will now be in the hands of an intellectually disinterested, reckless, mendacious narcissist.
It is not just Democrats. There are plenty of conservatives and Republicans among those feeling depressed. Their party has been captured by a man who has no bedrock belief in any principle; a man whose only allegiance appears to be to himself.
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Message 768 of 892 (796190)
12-24-2016 1:36 PM
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12-24-2016 12:43 PM


Re: Feeling Post Election Trauma
I have never seen anything quite like the grief being felt by the majority of American voters who did not vote for Donald Trump.
I guess you didn't recognize the grief felt by the rest of us eight years ago and four years ago. Because we really don't exist or something. Now we are happy happy happy. Can't happen of course. Only leltists are human beings, only leftists' feelings count.

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Message 769 of 892 (796193)
12-24-2016 2:02 PM
Reply to: Message 768 by Faith
12-24-2016 1:36 PM


Re: Feeling Post Election Trauma
There is a difference between a lack of liars whining that they didn't get what they wanted and worrying because you have a President regarded as a potential disaster even by senior figures in his own party.

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RAZD
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Message 770 of 892 (796194)
12-24-2016 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 768 by Faith
12-24-2016 1:36 PM


Conservative grief
... you didn't recognize the grief felt by the rest of us eight years ago and four years ago. ...
Probably true Faith. What did you grieve about Faith? The loss of democracy? How universal was it?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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Message 771 of 892 (796195)
12-24-2016 2:05 PM


Republicans destroying democracy in North Carolina
For some years I have been concerned that the Republican Party was going to give up on democracy. That the gerrymandering and voter suppression, and the obstructionism was only the start.
Now an analysis of North Carolina rates it as being well below the standards expected of a truly democratic nation.
North Carolina is no longer classified as a democracy

  
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Message 772 of 892 (796196)
12-24-2016 3:25 PM
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12-24-2016 2:05 PM


Re: Conservative grief
What did you grieve about Faith?
Treating other people with decency and not being an asshole run amuck.

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Message 773 of 892 (796197)
12-24-2016 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 768 by Faith
12-24-2016 1:36 PM


Re: Feeling Post Election Trauma
Faith writes:
I guess you didn't recognize the grief felt by the rest of us eight years ago and four years ago. Because we really don't exist or something. Now we are happy happy happy. Can't happen of course. Only leltists are human beings, only leftists' feelings count.
Why is it that the big division is between left and right. Isn't integrity important? I lean towards the right when it comes to politics but the number one thing I look for in a candidate is integrity. I'd rather have someone on the left with integrity than someone on the right without.
Frankly, I didn't have much respect for the integrity of either Clinton or Trump but frankly I did with Obama. Of course this is based on what I was able to discern on what they say and do publicly as well as media sources and not any personal contact.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.
Micah 6:8

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Faith 
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Message 774 of 892 (796198)
12-24-2016 8:40 PM
Reply to: Message 769 by PaulK
12-24-2016 2:02 PM


Re: Feeling Post Election Trauma
There is a difference between a l[p]ack of liars whining that they didn't get what they wanted
Pack for lack of course. Good description of exactly what we've seen from the left since they lost. Pack of liars beyond belief, so bad you guys didn't even know you were going to lose you'd lied to yourselves so much about what Americans want. "Whining" is rather weak for what we've seen though. Temper tantrums on a violent scale. You guys understand absolutely nothing. You live in such an enclosed fantasy world. Such bad losers a bunch of you poor sad souls have been trying since November 8 to steal the election (since the efforts before that date couldn't defeat us) and still plotting, probably fro months to come. Peaceful exchange of power, ha! Only when the civilized side has to give in, and that is not your side. Hilary would have been the disaster, on top of the disaster of Obama. YOu don't get it, though, don't want to get it, I guess.
Funny how what you say about us is as usual true of you. The killers of democracy are your side.
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Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 775 of 892 (796201)
12-24-2016 11:01 PM
Reply to: Message 774 by Faith
12-24-2016 8:40 PM


Re: Feeling Post Election Trauma
ack of liars beyond belief, so bad you guys didn't even know you were going to lose you'd lied to yourselves so much about what Americans want.
Fascinating. I wonder if you will recognize any of these statements made after the last election prior to this one. Hint: The statements were all made by a well known, prominent, Republican politician.
quote:
He lost the popular vote by a lot and won the election. We should have a revolution in this country!
The phoney electoral college made a laughing stock out of our nation. The loser one!
We can't let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty. Our nation is totally divided!
Lets fight like hell and stop this great and disgusting injustice! The world is laughing at us.
The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.
This election is a total sham and a travesty. We are not a democracy!
Let's note that Obama won both the electoral college and the popular vote.
Seriously, project much? I have not detected a single person in this newsgroup who fails to acknowledge that Trump won the election. Trump won fair and square.
Only when the civilized side has to give in, and that is not your side.
As the above quotes suggest, you cannot claim the high road about accepting election results. Not with the president elects own track record.

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Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

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Percy
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Message 776 of 892 (796204)
12-25-2016 7:35 AM
Reply to: Message 775 by NoNukes
12-24-2016 11:01 PM


Re: Feeling Post Election Trauma
Faith doesn't seem to understand that what is being mourned is not the loss of the election but the loss of rationality, discernment, and compassion at the top. Even the Republicans bemoaned this candidate. He has none of the qualities people from both sides want in a president, and many qualities most people find not only undesirable but despicable. The article describes how these feelings of people who voted against Trump are different from past lost elections, that those elections then were not accompanied by feelings of hopelessness and despair for our democracy.
Trump is a deplorable human being and he will soon be leader of the most powerful country on Earth. This should be a cause of great concern to people of all stripes everywhere throughout the world.
--Percy

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RAZD
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Message 777 of 892 (796206)
12-25-2016 8:40 AM
Reply to: Message 775 by NoNukes
12-24-2016 11:01 PM


Re: Feeling Post Election Trauma
... I have not detected a single person in this newsgroup who fails to acknowledge that Trump won the election. ...
It is America's loss, but that was put in motion in July.
... Trump won fair and square. ...
No. He won because the system is rigged. Because of suppression of minority and liberal votes in republican states. Because of hacked voting machines. Because of election fraud. This has been going on since 2002.
North Carolina no longer ranks as a democracy, and the US federal election process is coming in a close 2nd.
Just to set the record straight.
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Message 778 of 892 (796209)
12-25-2016 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 768 by Faith
12-24-2016 1:36 PM


What did you grieve?
Still want to know what you grieved for in the previous elections.
Message 770: Probably true Faith. What did you grieve about Faith? The loss of democracy? How universal was it?
Our democracy has been under attack for decades (certainly since the Clinton Reagan years)
I think there are several things we will agree on.
Enjoy

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Tanypteryx
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Message 779 of 892 (796211)
12-25-2016 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 776 by Percy
12-25-2016 7:35 AM


Re: Feeling Post Election Trauma
Trump is a deplorable human being and he will soon be leader of the most powerful country on Earth. This should be a cause of great concern to people of all stripes everywhere throughout the world.
I keep thinking about what terrible role models Trump and his family are for my grandchildren.
I guess I am still in shock that America elected someone with enough personality disorders to fill a textbook. His appointees want to dismantle our government and our civilization. No wonder 65,000,000++ of us feel despair and fear.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 780 of 892 (796212)
12-25-2016 12:06 PM
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12-25-2016 11:09 AM


Re: Feeling Post Election Trauma
I guess I am still in shock that America elected someone with enough personality disorders to fill a textbook.
Never underestimate the power of stupid.
"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters."
*Trump*

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