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Message 331 of 478 (782619)
04-26-2016 4:38 PM
Reply to: Message 329 by Faith
04-26-2016 1:57 PM


Re: Dont harsh my buzz
I was intimidated into sitting it out. I was shaking when I left). And my experience of the left from that point on was that they were extremely aggressive about ramming their self-righteous views down everybody else's throat.
Sorry that happened to you. You have a point, it is a double edged sword. But there is a old saying: "Dont start nuttn wont be nuttn."
Malcolm X was famous for saying:
quote:
"If you stick a knife nine inches into my back and pull it out three inches, that is not progress. Even if you pull it all the way out, that is not progress. Progress is healing the wound, and America hasn't even begun to pull out the knife."
Conservatism in America has somehow slipped so far right it has dragged the moderates into wingnut territory. The Supreme court has come out and said that people who love each other can get married. What is so wrong with that? Well of course your bible tells you that is a abomination if they are of the same sex. But there are many people who do not ascribe to that notion. So should they have to forgo all the rights of marriage because there are some Americans have decided they are not worthy to live the lives they wish to? Should a person who has undergone sexual reassignment be forced to use a bathroom of the opposite sex because it is again somehow upsetting conservatives? For example: A conservative lady such as yourself want a transgender person, who has woman genitalia,to be forced to use a mans bathroom and go through the embarrassment and humiliation because they have some compelling urge to go in a female bathroom and get a peek at your naughty bits? Umm Please.
Faith writes:
But thanks to the infiltration of Cultural Marxism and its Political Correctness, which is nothing but ramming leftism down our throats, the country has become polarized in a very unhealthy way. I don't see a way out of it myself.
Again don't start nuttn wont be nuttn. Political correctness is a stupid word invented by conservatives. Liberals just call it not being a asshole imo.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 332 of 478 (782625)
04-26-2016 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 329 by Faith
04-26-2016 1:57 PM


Re: Dont harsh my buzz
Something changed, in the sixties I believe, that turned liberalism from a benign focus on do-goodism to a Marxist point of view, thanks to the Cultural Marxism that was growing in the universities.
That never happened.
The only place where cultural marxism was growing, was in the stories told by fundie preachers.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 333 of 478 (782631)
04-26-2016 10:26 PM


I didn't mean to start a whole new discussion of political correctness, I only wanted to say that I disagree with the one-sided fingerpointing at conservatives. Political correctness has been discussed to death on other threads, and would only take this one wildly off topic.

  
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Message 334 of 478 (782645)
04-27-2016 2:30 AM


The Primaries Continue
Now, back to our regularly scheduled topic.
4-27-16, 1 AM Eastern
Big night for Trump and Clinton.
Note that 54 Pennsylvania delegates will remain unpledged going into the Republican convention.
The delegate count as of 4-26:
Trump picked up 105 pledged delegates leaving him 287 short of first ballot nomination with 502 pledged delegates yet to be selected in the remaining primaries. His present capture rate still leaves him just short of a first ballot victory, though California and New Jersey could push him to the magic number. However, with all the machinations going on to siphon off would-be Trump delegates, expect Trump to go to Cleveland with 1190-1210 pledged delegates. This one is razor close.
On the Democrat side, if 519 super delegates do support Clinton as expected, she now has 2159 of the delegates necessary to capture the nomination. With 1206 delegates yet to be selected, and Clinton's present capture rate, the nomination is hers with ease. This one is over.
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Message 335 of 478 (782646)
04-27-2016 5:24 AM
Reply to: Message 334 by AZPaul3
04-27-2016 2:30 AM


Re: The Primaries Continue
AZPaul3 writes:
Trump picked up 105 pledged delegates leaving him 287 short of first ballot nomination with 502 pledged delegates yet to be selected in the remaining primaries. His present capture rate still leaves him just short of a first ballot victory, though California and New Jersey could push him to the magic number. However, with all the machinations going on to siphon off would-be Trump delegates, expect Trump to go to Cleveland with 1190-1210 pledged delegates.
Trump has already been robbed of about 100 delegates (that's a conservative estimate). What's more interesting though is how the delegates in the voterless states like Colorado and Wyoming always went to Cruz. Why wouldn't some of those delegates go to Trump. Oh yes that's right because when one delegate was going to vote for Trump, he was fired.

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Message 336 of 478 (782649)
04-27-2016 6:06 AM
Reply to: Message 334 by AZPaul3
04-27-2016 2:30 AM


Re: The Primaries Continue
On the Democrat side, if 519 super delegates do support Clinton as expected, she now has 2159 of the delegates necessary to capture the nomination. With 1206 delegates yet to be selected, and Clinton's present capture rate, the nomination is hers with ease. This one is over
It is still possible she gets indited before the end of the primary. but given that the head of the FBI is a republican it will probably happen during the presidential race.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

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Message 337 of 478 (782650)
04-27-2016 6:24 AM
Reply to: Message 335 by Big_Al35
04-27-2016 5:24 AM


Re: The Primaries Continue
Why wouldn't some of those delegates go to Trump. Oh yes that's right because when one delegate was going to vote for Trump, he was fired.
Bullshit.
Cruz got the delegates because he had a ground game that got his supporters to the caucuses where the delegates were chosen. Trump did not. Everyone knew the rules for delegate selection last year. Trump ignored them. You don't pay attention to the rules, you don't get the prize.
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Message 338 of 478 (782651)
04-27-2016 6:32 AM
Reply to: Message 336 by frako
04-27-2016 6:06 AM


Re: The Primaries Continue
It is still possible she gets indited before the end of the primary. but given that the head of the FBI is a republican it will probably happen during the presidential race.
Not going to happen. First, the whole e-mail thing turns out to be a nothing and is now just a made up scandal-wannabe pushed by the Republicans. Second, the FBI cannot indict anyone for anything. The Attorney General does that and she's not a Republican.
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Message 339 of 478 (782658)
04-27-2016 8:07 AM
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04-27-2016 6:24 AM


Re: The Primaries Continue
AZPaul3 writes:
Cruz got the delegates because he had a ground game that got his supporters to the caucuses where the delegates were chosen. Trump did not. Everyone knew the rules for delegate selection last year. Trump ignored them. You don't pay attention to the rules, you don't get the prize.
So what you are saying is that Cruz laid on a mini-bus with refreshments to get his supporters to the caucuses whereas Trump's supporters, who had to make their own way, got lost and their satnav systems all spectacularly and collectively failed on the same day?

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Message 340 of 478 (782667)
04-27-2016 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 339 by Big_Al35
04-27-2016 8:07 AM


Re: The Primaries Continue
So what you are saying is that Cruz laid on a mini-bus with refreshments to get his supporters to the caucuses whereas Trump's supporters, who had to make their own way, got lost and their satnav systems all spectacularly and collectively failed on the same day?
Trumpers don't need no stinkin' GPS!
Trumpers don't stop and ask directions!
Trump loves the uneducated!

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Message 341 of 478 (782670)
04-27-2016 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 339 by Big_Al35
04-27-2016 8:07 AM


Re: The Primaries Continue
Hi, Big Al.
Big_Al35 writes:
So what you are saying is that...
What he's saying is that Ted Cruz prepared for a dirty game of politics, and Donald Trump prepared for a clean game of democracy. Since party conventions are not clean democracies, but are in fact dirty games of politics, Donald Trump's approach was incredibly naive. And, since the dirty rules were available for all the campaigns to see well in advance, Trump has no one to blame but himself.

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Darwin loves you.

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Message 342 of 478 (782673)
04-27-2016 12:43 PM
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Re: The Primaries Continue
So what you are saying is that Cruz laid on a mini-bus with refreshments to get his supporters to the caucuses whereas Trump's supporters, who had to make their own way, got lost and their satnav systems all spectacularly and collectively failed on the same day?
No, Dumbledunce. What I'm saying is that the Cruz people organized their supporters while the Trump people ignored theirs.

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Message 343 of 478 (782679)
04-27-2016 4:26 PM
Reply to: Message 315 by NoNukes
04-25-2016 7:43 PM


1 final post on this side issue.
quote:
Yet more supposed facts that you cannot back up.
Nobody has ever polled New Yorkers (or anybody else) on book familiarity and whether they can identify book titles including specific books like Behold a Pale Horse. I didn't say it was a proven fact. Also, Puerto Ricans might be aware of it in high numbers too. They were one of the targets of the government in Cooper's book BAPH. I have a very hard time saying good things about Bill Gates (he made a comment in support of a world government on Jan 27 or Jan 28 2015) to Puerto Ricans because they immediately respond that he wants them all killed. I have a hard time talking about ANY issue to Puerto Ricans without getting a response about how elites are trying to kill them. I ask a Puerto Rican guy on the street "what's your dogs name" and I get "C.I.A." as an answer. Then I get told about John Kennedy and UFOs and other issues in Cooper's books.
I always noticed that Behold A Pale Horse was one of the few conspiracy theory type books on library shelves in Brooklyn (aside from black nationalistic type stuff which are numerous everywhere in NY).
quote:
Oh, well that settles it. You and your millions of claimed conversations with black people have your finger on the pulse of the NY black community as a bunch of superstitious idiots.
I don't remember superstition of any type being covered in my posts. It seems to me that 90% of blacks in NY are (fairly fundamentalist)Christian, and 10% (or more) are Muslim. There are some vocal agnostics though. Is that what you meant? Most poor minorities are Roman Catholic. Dominicans seem to be strict Roman Catholics. Puerto Ricans have lots of vocal protestants, but most are RC (without superstition). The Roman Catholic types are the most likely to include (slightly) unconventional Caribbean/African type beliefs in. I was friends with a Puerto Rican (priest?) who had some religion called Uriba or something. They did seem to have animal sacrifice.
I used to own Behold a Pale Horse, and it isn't superstitious. Has lots of interesting information and frequently references the government documents and hearings from 1950s-1980s.
Its mostly Protestants and Muslims who like the book.

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Message 344 of 478 (782681)
04-27-2016 4:40 PM
Reply to: Message 343 by LamarkNewAge
04-27-2016 4:26 PM


Re: 1 final post on this side issue.
duplicate
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
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Message 345 of 478 (782682)
04-27-2016 4:40 PM
Reply to: Message 314 by New Cat's Eye
04-25-2016 5:47 PM


Final post on the Democratic Primary 2000 and 2004
quote:
in a thread about the 2016 Republican Primary.
Is this really relevant?
Campaign finance reform and constitutional amendments limiting campaign donations were brought up.
I think it better be pointed out that the media (which complains the most about contributions to political campaigns) is extremely corrupt (they take advantage of candidates limited special interest donations in order to ignore them IF THEY HAVE UNCONVENIENT VIEWS).
The fact that people have been so climatized (admittedly it might be an issue around since all our respective births) to accept the fact that the media presents an accurate view of the world is evidenced by the complete confusion and general blanks I have gotten after my post(s) on the Larouche blackout.
On the plus side:
I do remember many C-SPAN callers calling in (after the 2000 races) to ask how Al Gore was only getting around 75% of the vote in states when he was supposedly "unopposed", and I do recall many asking why the Gore and Bradley totals were falling fairly short of 100% when they the (ostensibly) the only 2 candidates.
And I do think the Trump phenomenon is a direct result of such media dishonesty. (many things are the result)
quote:
[LamarkNewAge]
The media is extremely dishonest.
[Cat Sci]
I'm not arguing against that, I was just saying yeah on the large quotes thing.
Actually though, I don't really think that we need to:
Yes we do!

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