|
Author
|
Topic: The Global Consciousness Project
|
fearandloathing
Member (Idle past 4171 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: 02-24-2011
|
|
Message 1 of 21 (619109)
06-08-2011 1:55 PM
|
|
|
I ran across this while looking for something else, does anyone know anything about this? At first glance it seems like something valid is being observed, but I am not so sure. Seems like pseudoscience, but I could be wrong.
Coherent consciousness creates order in the world Subtle interactions link us with each other and the Earth When human consciousness becomes coherent and synchronized, the behavior of random systems may change. Quantum event based random number generators (RNGs) produce completely unpredictable sequences of zeroes and ones. But when a great event synchronizes the feelings of millions of people, our network of RNGs becomes subtly structured. The probability is less than one in a billion that the effect is due to chance. The evidence suggests an emerging noosphere, or the unifying field of consciousness described by sages in all cultures. The Global Consciousness Project is an international, multidisciplinary collaboration of scientists and engineers. We collect data continuously from a global network of physical random number generators located in 70 host sites around the world. The data are transmitted to a central archive which now contains more than 12 years of random data in parallel sequences of synchronized 200-bit trials every second. Eventually, global society, guided by science, will soften the human environmental impact, and earth will become a "noosphere," a planet of the mind, life's domain ruled by reason. -- Vladimir Vernadsky Noosphere Now this noosphere just screams psuedoscience.
The Real-time Dot Welcome to the Global Consciousness Project Dot This is a real time data analysis of the Global Consciousness Project. It collects the data each minute and runs statistics on the stream of random numbers generated by the project. This analysis is run 10 minutes behind the generation of the data. In this way, it can be seen as a real-time indicator of global consciousness coherence. real-time graphIs there any reason to take this serious? Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given. Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given.
"I hate to advocate the use of drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 2 by Larni, posted 06-08-2011 2:12 PM | | fearandloathing has seen this message but not replied | | | Message 3 by Theodoric, posted 06-08-2011 2:18 PM | | fearandloathing has replied | | | Message 6 by cavediver, posted 06-08-2011 3:45 PM | | fearandloathing has not replied |
|
Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
|
I can't help but think that if magic was real we would know about it.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 1 by fearandloathing, posted 06-08-2011 1:55 PM | | fearandloathing has seen this message but not replied |
|
Theodoric
Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
|
Is there any reason to take this serious? Seems to be just a big crap load of woo.
quote:
Global Consciousness Project reveals human foolishness It's hard to know which category to place this one in -- it's a little bit ESP, a little bit fortune telling, and a whole lot of pseudoscience. The Global Consciousness Project apparently is trying to use random number generators to detect changes in the the "global consciousness" of the population of the planet. They claim that, when a big event happens, such as the funeral of Princess Diana, the 9/11 terrorist attacks, or the December 26 tsunami, that they observe changes in the pattern of randomly generated zeros and ones. In the original Star Wars, Obi Wan Kenobi felt a great disturbance in the Force -- these guys claim to be doing so in real life. Better yet, they claim to be doing so before the event happens. For example, they claim that the pattern of numbers generated changed before the first of the 9/11 attacks, as well as before the tsunami hit. Anyone else suspect they know what's going on here? Various scientists claim to be baffled, so maybe I can help them out. Here's what's probably happening -- humans are being human. You see a spike in the numbers, you scan the news headlines to look for some big event. If you find something, then you can say that the spike you saw detected it. If you don't see anything, wait a bit and check again. Then when you find something, you can say that the spike you saw predicted it. From the other direction, if something big happens in the news, go back and look at your numbers. If you see a spike, bravo! If you don't, look farther back in time. Found one? It was a prediction! (Oh, and if you don't find a spike in the numbers, but instead find a trough, that's okay -- that counts, too.) Didn't find anything at the time of the event or before the event? Don't give up yet! Try looking after the event -- it probably had some sort of psychic impact on the population of the planet for some time after the fact. Finally, if you weren't able to find a correlation before, during, or after the event, just chalk it up as "one of those things" -- no need to consider it as evidence against the truth of your theory. The standard of evidence on this appears to be very low. For example, some of the events that their machine "detected" or "predicted" include Mark McGwire's homerun record, the finale of Survivor, and Oprah Winfrey visiting Africa. World-shaking events? Really? Hmm.... So this is the kind of research they're doing at Princeton these days, huh?
Source Here is a forum thread that discusses it.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
|
fearandloathing
Member (Idle past 4171 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: 02-24-2011
|
|
|
Message 4 of 21 (619113)
06-08-2011 2:27 PM
|
Reply to: Message 3 by Theodoric
06-08-2011 2:18 PM
|
|
I agree, I looked into funding...ect and that got me thinking, then I noticed it says in several places it is not funded by Princeton in any way.
"I hate to advocate the use of drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 3 by Theodoric, posted 06-08-2011 2:18 PM | | Theodoric has not replied |
|
frako
Member (Idle past 332 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: 09-04-2010
|
|
|
Message 5 of 21 (619114)
06-08-2011 2:31 PM
|
Reply to: Message 3 by Theodoric
06-08-2011 2:18 PM
|
|
So basically allot like creation science 
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 3 by Theodoric, posted 06-08-2011 2:18 PM | | Theodoric has not replied |
|
cavediver
Member (Idle past 3669 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: 06-16-2005
|
Now this noosphere just screams psuedoscience. What, and the bit above didn't??? 
|
New Cat's Eye
Inactive Member
|
|
|
Message 7 of 21 (619121)
06-08-2011 4:34 PM
|
|
|
This is incompatible with my worldview... BLAST IT WITH RIDICULE! 
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 8 by Modulous, posted 06-08-2011 4:54 PM | | New Cat's Eye has seen this message but not replied | | | Message 9 by fearandloathing, posted 06-08-2011 4:59 PM | | New Cat's Eye has replied | | | Message 10 by Theodoric, posted 06-08-2011 8:38 PM | | New Cat's Eye has seen this message but not replied |
|
Modulous
Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: 05-01-2005
|
This is incompatible with my worldview... BLAST IT WITH RIDICULE! In fairness, it is at least compatible with ridiculousness. Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 7 by New Cat's Eye, posted 06-08-2011 4:34 PM | | New Cat's Eye has seen this message but not replied |
|
fearandloathing
Member (Idle past 4171 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: 02-24-2011
|
It reminded me of this therory I had run across once before.
Connectedness P. 1 By Dr. Lee Warren, B.A., D.D. (c) 2000 PLIM REPORT, Vol. 9 #1 Feel free to copy and circulate this article for non-commercial purposes provided the Web site and author are mentioned. See Related Articles in SCIENCE AND MEDICINE Introduction Certain truths are basic, universal, and transcend all man-made religions. Even though they are enmeshed with the symbols of superstitions and folk myths, these principles do not change. For example, all cultures have believed in a sun god of their imagination since each day begins with a sunrise and ends with the a sunset. The rising and setting of the sun represented the resurrection and death of their sun god. The point here is that all cultures believed in the resurrection and death of the sun although it was not revealed unto them that the sun represented the true son, Yahshua the Messiah (Mal 4:2; Rev. 12:1-2). For thousand of years sages, adepts and poets from all cultures have understood that the entire universe is a whole and living unity, which means that all things are connected. Nothing is separate as it appears to human perception, but everything is interlinked. Modern science has begun to verify this basic truth. Quoting from the book The Dancing Wu Li Masters by Gary Zukah, the field of atomic physics called quantum mechanics states the following: "all things in our universe (including us) that appear to exist independently are actually parts of an all-compassing organic pattern, and that no parts of that pattern are ever really separate from it or from each other (p. 48)." This view has caused science to alter their perception of consciousness and presupposed inanimate physical matter. The Global Consciousness Project seems to be simply trying to use statistics, from data they generate, to prove some kind of connection. Statistics are easily manipulated. They are not making predictions like Nostradamus did, but the way they relate their data to events that have already happened seems to be the same as people looking at his predictions and finding a connection only after the event has taken place. Today alone I have watched the dot go from green to red and back, maybe if I look at some news I can say "look when it was red this was happening." But they do have a purdy website with all you can read word salad... Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given.
"I hate to advocate the use of drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
|
Theodoric
Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
(1)
| |
| |
| |
So you think there is something to it? Their evidence is nonexistent. Maybe you have some insight or is your post just an attack post?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 7 by New Cat's Eye, posted 06-08-2011 4:34 PM | | New Cat's Eye has seen this message but not replied |
|
New Cat's Eye
Inactive Member
|
The Global Consciousness Project seems to be simply trying to use statistics, from data they generate, to prove some kind of connection. Statistics are easily manipulated. They are not making predictions like Nostradamus did, but the way they relate their data to events that have already happened seems to be the same as people looking at his predictions and finding a connection only after the event has taken place. Today alone I have watched the dot go from green to red and back, maybe if I look at some news I can say "look when it was red this was happening." Sure, the whole "prediction" aspect of it is pretty ghey. Its interesting that the randomness can become non-random for some reason though. I just thought it was funny how people's preconceptions were showing through.
all you can read word salad  That's a good one.
|
hooah212002
Member (Idle past 827 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
|
I just thought it was funny how people's preconceptions were showing through. When you've seen enough woo-woo, it's easy to spot a mile away.
"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.
|
New Cat's Eye
Inactive Member
|
Then you're just a closed-minded pseudoskeptic 
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 12 by hooah212002, posted 06-09-2011 10:46 AM | | hooah212002 has replied |
|
hooah212002
Member (Idle past 827 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
|
Nope. You're just gullible (since we are calling names). Unless, of course, you would like to explain how I am a "pseudoskeptic" when I read the article, then decided it was crap. How does one go about being a pseudoskeptic, anyways? I would assume a pseudoskeptic would be one who claims to be a skeptic, but actually believes all this woo-woo....... perhaps you beg to differ?
"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 15 by New Cat's Eye, posted 06-09-2011 11:36 AM | | hooah212002 has seen this message but not replied | | | Message 16 by Modulous, posted 06-09-2011 11:48 AM | | hooah212002 has replied |
|
New Cat's Eye
Inactive Member
|
Nope. You're just gullible I haven't jumped on board, yet.
Unless, of course, you would like to explain how I am a "pseudoskeptic" when I read the article, then decided it was crap. Oh, well then you wouldn't be. Apologies.
How does one go about being a pseudoskeptic, anyways? I would assume a pseudoskeptic would be one who claims to be a skeptic, but actually believes all this woo-woo....... perhaps you beg to differ? A pseudoskeptic is someone who thinks they're a skeptic, but just rejects everything that doesn't fit within their particular philosophy. Like the really smug neo-atheists who are more "anti-religion" than simply skeptical. Ya know?
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 14 by hooah212002, posted 06-09-2011 11:25 AM | | hooah212002 has seen this message but not replied |
|
™ Version 4.2