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Butterflytyrant Member (Idle past 4422 days) Posts: 415 From: Australia Joined: |
The question was :
Expressed as a percentage, how sure are you that your particular version of creation is correct The total number cannot exceed 100%. You cannot be more than 100% sure of something. With beliefs, to be 90% sure of YEC means that there can be a total of 10% of doubt or OEC or some other idea. You cannot be 90% sure of YEC and also 90% sure of OEC. The measure was how sure are you, this can only total 100%
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Why?
I mentioned "Why not 90% Hindu plus 90% Abrahamic plus 90% science pluse 90% Buddhist?" Why can I not be 90% sure of each of those? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
jar writes: I mentioned "Why not 90% Hindu plus 90% Abrahamic plus 90% science pluse 90% Buddhist?" Why can I not be 90% sure of each of those? Because that means that you are 360% certain that one of those options is true....? Surely you can see where the idea that a probability estimation should add up to 100% come's from?
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
No, it means I am 10% unsure of each.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Butterflytyrant Member (Idle past 4422 days) Posts: 415 From: Australia Joined: |
By this reasoning, you could be 100% sure and 0% unsure that YEC is correct.
Ypou could also be 100% sure and 0% unsure that OEC is correct. And 100% sure and 0% unsure that the Hindu teachings are correct. In this example, you would be 100% sure and 0% unsure that 3 different things are correct? The total sum can only be 100% If you had three different ideas you were equally sure of, they would have to be spread accross the total 100%. You cant exceed 100% even with a certain percentage of unsure.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Only if you expect reason, logic or consistency.
When it comes to beliefs, reason, logic, rationality and consistency are irrelevant. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Butterflytyrant Member (Idle past 4422 days) Posts: 415 From: Australia Joined: |
Only if you expect reason, logic or consistency. When it comes to beliefs, reason, logic, rationality and consistency are irrelevant. Using this logic, you could have answered with anything. Question : Expressed as a percentage, how sure are you that your particular version of creation is correct? Answer : Apples and sheep Why answer at all? This is getting off topic though. I assumed, perhaps incorrectly that people would recognise that 100% is the maximum amount allowable. There is no greater total of sums than 100%. If a person is conflicted about their view, that conflict can be scaled into 100%.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well, apples and sheep are not percentages.
But the reason I responded was to try to educate you a little on the subject of beliefs and hopefully show you how silly the question you ask really is. I am 99% sure that Evolution happened, 90%sure that the Theory of Evolution is the best explanation of how that happened so far and 100% sure that all we have found is how God did it. I am also 90% sure that Hinduism and Buddhism and Islam and Taoism and animism and agnosticism and atheism are all partly true and partly wrong. Beliefs are not subject to reason, logic, reality or consistency. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
jar writes: Beliefs are not subject to reason, logic, reality or consistency. So on what basis do you berate people like Buz for taking unreasonable, illogical, unreal and inconsistent positions when discussing their beliefs?There are lots of examples of you doing this and it seems a bit inconsistent given the position you are espousing in this thread.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I don't to the best of my knowledge.
I take exception to Buz claiming fact as opposed to belief. I have no problem with Buz believing that the Exodus happened or that Adam & Eve were real people or most any other however silly belief he might express, but when he goes beyond simply saying that he believes the Exodus happens and tries to prove as a factual matter that the Exodus really did happen, I IMHO rightly take exception. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Jon Inactive Member |
Why cannot I be equally confident of a variety of different things?
Who in the hell made up this nonsense that my confidence in everything in the world has to add up to 100%? Absolute stupidity. Love your enemies! |
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Chuck77 Inactive Member |
jar writes: I have no problem with Buz believing that the Exodus happened or that Adam & Eve were real people or most any other however silly belief he might express, but when he goes beyond simply saying that he believes the Exodus happens and tries to prove as a factual matter that the Exodus really did happen, I IMHO rightly take exception. I don't to the best of my knowledge.I take exception to Buz claiming fact as opposed to belief. I have no problem with Buz believing that the Exodus happened or that Adam & Eve were real people or most any other however silly belief he might express, but when he goes beyond simply saying that he believes the Exodus happens and tries to prove as a factual matter that the Exodus really did happen, I IMHO rightly take exception. Well, that's so nice of you to offer Buz such a gesture of believeing what he wants until (god forbid) he actually tries to backup or prove what he believes to be true, or in your words "tries to prove". THAT'S when you take exception? It's such a horrible thing when someone actually TRIES to prove something aye? Wonderful, So, you are rather tolerant of people who believe blindly anything they are told but when they investigate and TRY to establish a basis for their beliefs that's when you speak up. How dare they! When Darwin was studying the finch beaks on The Galpagos Islands and made some predictions based on what he believed was happening I wonder what would have happened if he took your approach. Oh wait, I know the answer, NOTHING. Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given. Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.
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Larni Member (Idle past 164 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Wonderful, So, you are rather tolerant of people who believe blindly anything they are told but when they investigate and TRY to establish a basis for their beliefs that's when you speak up. How dare they! The problem people have with buzz is that he ignores evidence that contradicts his beliefs and fails to provide any evidence that would support his beliefs.
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
jar writes: I take exception to Buz claiming fact as opposed to belief. Well if you are able to make a distinction between facts and wrong-headed belief in what the facts are you should be able to respond to the question being posed in this OP in the spirit it was quite obviously intended rather than treat poor Butterfly to a lecture on your views regarding the innate irrationality of belief. Based on the facts as you consider them to be how confident are you (expressed as a percentage to give some indication of estimated probablity) in your conclusions regarding evolution, the formation of the universe etc...? That is the question being asked. And saying that you are 90% certain of 4 different mutually exclusive accounts doesn't really help does it?
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
HUH?
Buz is of course free to try to prove something like the Exodus or Biblical Flood, however he has NEVER been able to offer any evidence that the Exodus actually happened and the Biblical Flood has been absolutely refuted. The problem is stating that a belief is a fact w9ithout presenting the evidence to support that assertion. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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