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ICANT
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Message 1171 of 1352 (813152)
06-23-2017 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1077 by edge
06-16-2017 3:51 PM


Re: Flood waters receeded into depths
Hi edge,
edge writes:
Of course not, it's a normal every day event. It's not a tsunami.
And where does the Bible say anything about the flood being a tsunami? You been listening to YEC'S too much. They say a lot of things that the Bible does not say about the flood.
What if you had a single land mass that was at 4' above sea level at it highest point, surrounded by water and that water began to rise like it does at the Bay of Fundy. Except coming from all direction of the land mass. How much damage would be done to the land mass?
It would not have to rise as fast as it does at the Bay of Fundy to put 15 cubits of water on the highest part of the land mass. If we are talking about 34 feet of water, and 40 days to reach that height.
That would take 10.25"s of water per day or .425"s per hr.
Now if you wanted to make the land mass higher you would not increase the volume required to do the job by much water per hr.
That is the reason I mention the Bay of Fundy which is a sight to behold in person.
God Bless,

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Tangle
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Message 1172 of 1352 (813153)
06-23-2017 6:05 PM
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06-23-2017 5:38 PM


Re: Flood waters receeded into depths
ICANT writes:
What if you had a single land mass that was at 4' above sea level at it highest point, surrounded by water and that water began to rise like it does at the Bay of Fundy. Except coming from all direction of the land mass. How much damage would be done to the land mass?
And I guess the Mountains of Ararat (5,137m) where pushed up quietly during the rising tide?

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Message 1173 of 1352 (813155)
06-23-2017 7:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1169 by ICANT
06-23-2017 4:40 PM


Re: Ducking, dodging and weaving (same as always)
That water beneath Asia is 1) chemically combined with the rock down there and not free to flow and 2) at a temperature somewhere over 1000F., and 3) spread very thinly through a enormous mass of rock. It won't help you much - you couldn't extract it with any speed, and if you could, you would also extract enough heat to sterilize the surface of the planet and hard-boil the Ark.
Nope.

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ICANT
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Message 1174 of 1352 (813156)
06-23-2017 7:43 PM
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06-23-2017 4:41 PM


Re: Ducking, dodging and weaving (same as always)
Hi Tangle,
Tangle writes:
The 'oceans' underground are not in a free flowing state, the water is fused into rock 400 miles deep. Feel free to invoke a miracle.
Why would I need a miracle? I got a 5 mile deep area in which to store water.
Did I say anything about the water that is 400 miles deep?
The Russians got water in their 7 mile deep hole they drilled. So I would think you could hide a lot of water in the 5 mile deep holes the oil companies drill and get water. They use separator's to separate the oil and water. Which is under a lot of pressure at that depth.
But you don't have to go 400 miles to find water that is trapped in rock. Water is in an abundant state you can find enough in the asthenosphere to fill the present oceans over 7 times.
I wonder how that water got there as the rocks was there before water got to the planet.
God Bless,

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ICANT
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Message 1175 of 1352 (813158)
06-23-2017 7:51 PM
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06-23-2017 6:05 PM


Re: Flood waters receeded into depths
Hi Tangle,
Tangle writes:
And I guess the Mountains of Ararat (5,137m) where pushed up quietly during the rising tide?
As the single land mass would have no mountains as the earth had not been divided at that point. That happened at least 109 years after the flood as the earth was divided in the days of Peleg.
God :Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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JonF
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Message 1176 of 1352 (813159)
06-23-2017 7:52 PM
Reply to: Message 1171 by ICANT
06-23-2017 5:38 PM


Re: Flood waters receeded into depths
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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Coyote
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Message 1177 of 1352 (813160)
06-23-2017 8:00 PM
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06-23-2017 7:51 PM


Re: Flood waters receeded into depths
If you are placing the dividing of the continents 109 years after the flood, the Atlantic Ocean gap would have had to spread 1 mile per year between then and 1492 when major European exploration began--and then it would have had to stop abruptly!
What mechanism accounts for this?

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Boof
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Message 1178 of 1352 (813161)
06-23-2017 8:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1171 by ICANT
06-23-2017 5:38 PM


Re: Flood waters receeded into depths
So a couple of quick questions for you ICant. Under your model how long did Noah and all his hundreds / thousands of animals need to survive on the ark for and where did they get all their water from?

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Message 1179 of 1352 (813162)
06-23-2017 8:51 PM
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06-23-2017 8:43 PM


Re: Flood waters receeded into depths
boof writes:
and where did they get all their water from?
that one is easy. You hit a stone with your staff and a spring appears. The Ark would have tons of ballast stones so all that they had to do was plunk your magic twanger froggy.
The idea that there was ever a Biblical flood is worthy only of preschool humor.

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edge
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Message 1180 of 1352 (813163)
06-23-2017 9:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1174 by ICANT
06-23-2017 7:43 PM


Re: Ducking, dodging and weaving (same as always)
The Russians got water in their 7 mile deep hole they drilled.
Yes, they found chemically bound water. Okay, so how do you extract that water from the deep crust and mantle, bring it to the surface for a year and then where does it go?
So I would think you could hide a lot of water in the 5 mile deep holes the oil companies drill and get water.
I believe you are talking about brine here. Pretty toxic stuff. Just imagine if you flooded the earth with that stuff.
They use separator's to separate the oil and water. Which is under a lot of pressure at that depth.
Exactly. So did God have his separators running?
But you don't have to go 400 miles to find water that is trapped in rock. Water is in an abundant state you can find enough in the asthenosphere to fill the present oceans over 7 times.
First, water is not a state.
And you need to explain to us how you extract that water and channel it to the fountains of the deep.
Edited by edge, : No reason given.

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Tangle
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Message 1181 of 1352 (813174)
06-24-2017 2:48 AM
Reply to: Message 1175 by ICANT
06-23-2017 7:51 PM


Re: Flood waters receeded into depths
ICANT writes:
As the single land mass would have no mountains as the earth had not been divided at that point. That happened at least 109 years after the flood as the earth was divided in the days of Peleg.
Pardon my confusion but....
quote:
and in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat.
Genesis 8:4

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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jar
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Message 1182 of 1352 (813182)
06-24-2017 7:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1180 by edge
06-23-2017 9:26 PM


Re: Ducking, dodging and weaving (same as always)
edge writes:
ICANT writes:
But you don't have to go 400 miles to find water that is trapped in rock. Water is in an abundant state you can find enough in the asthenosphere to fill the present oceans over 7 times.
First, water is not a state.
And you need to explain to us how you extract that water and channel it to the fountains of the deep.
Change leaves evidence. Remove the water from below ground and you will find evidence of that at the surface. San Joaquin Valley has subsided over 30 feet just from pumping irrigation water.
The people who try to market the Biblical Flood fantasy simply do not understand that change really does leave evidence and the evidence the Biblical Flood MUST leave had it happened simply does not exist.
The Biblical flood is nothing but fantasy.

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Message 1183 of 1352 (813218)
06-24-2017 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1169 by ICANT
06-23-2017 4:40 PM


Re: Ducking, dodging and weaving (same as always)
ICANT writes:
I see nothing about eruption there either.
But yes the idea was to destroy all creatures that breathed air.
And the "eruption" of the fountains of the deep was a part of that idea.
ICANT writes:
But I am talking about fountains opened up from huge supplies of water as the body of water in Asia. There could have been many of them.
There's no reason to think there ever were any. It's just a made-up fantasy.
ICANT writes:
The water being under great pressure would come forth through what ever hole was made in the rock which hole was later pluged when God closed them.
If God miraculously turned the fountains on and off, why do you say anything about science at all? Why not just say God poofed the water into existence and then poofed it out of existence?

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Message 1184 of 1352 (813219)
06-24-2017 12:21 PM
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06-23-2017 7:51 PM


Re: Flood waters receeded into depths
ICANT writes:
As the single land mass would have no mountains as the earth had not been divided at that point. That happened at least 109 years after the flood as the earth was divided in the days of Peleg.
The "division of the earth" refers to the proliferation of languages after the Tower of Babel (Genesis 11). It has nothing to do with land masses.

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JonF
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Message 1185 of 1352 (813227)
06-24-2017 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1169 by ICANT
06-23-2017 4:40 PM


Re: Ducking, dodging and weaving (same as always)
The water being under great pressure would come forth through what ever hole was made in the rock which hole was later pluged when God closed them.
Same mistake several creationists have made, including Walt Brown who should know better.
The water would have come out as superheated steam. Parboiled Noah, anyone?
Walter Brown's Hydroplate Model

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