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JonF
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Message 886 of 1163 (794362)
11-14-2016 6:58 PM


He thinks of transgression/recession cycles as happening over sufficiently short time as to be remembered in human/societal memory. They would stay up in the mountains because they knew it was fruitless to build where the sea would just take it.
"O, wise and ancient elder, tell us the story of how close the seashore was when you were young!"

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mindspawn
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Message 887 of 1163 (794363)
11-14-2016 6:58 PM
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11-14-2016 6:48 PM


Re: Evolutionary Assumptions
Just for the record, I didn't actually say mountains, there is a difference between highlands and mountains.
My explanation does take into account multiple marine transgressions. That was central to my point, that the transgressions were more common back then, making it difficult for non-amphibuous organisms to survive on the land.
As for being ridiculous, that is opinion. When faced with flooding, I would choose highlands.

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mindspawn
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Message 888 of 1163 (794364)
11-14-2016 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 886 by JonF
11-14-2016 6:58 PM


Timeframes
Exactly, my pre-flood timeframes are a little shorter than the Proterozoic-Paleozoic is supposed to be. (understatement- lol)
Edited by mindspawn, : wrong word used, edited

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jar
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Message 889 of 1163 (794365)
11-14-2016 7:03 PM
Reply to: Message 879 by mindspawn
11-14-2016 6:21 PM


Re: Siberia
And the Bible says you are full of shit and that God can't be as dumb as the God you try to market. I mean come on man! Your God sends a flood to kill all the folk buried under the Siberian Traps. What a fool.
Have ever read the Bible or are like most "Biblical Christians" totally unable to honestly read what is written in the stories.
The Bible says there were folk living in the plains and even in the Middle east and not just in the small part of Siberia covered by the traps and the Bible even implies that the pre flood humans were not as stupid as you seem to assert. The Siberian Traps were not one even but rather a whole series of events that continued for over a million years. Are you saying the humans were as dumb as the God you market and in that million years a few did not vote with their feet and leave?
But of course the crap about Siberia is just another of your con games to avoid admitting your idea is simply bullshit.
According to the Bible Creation week did not take place in Siberia.
According to the Bible there were people and other mammals as well as birds and flowing plants and fruit trees and grains and reptiles from the Creation Week right up to the flood.
Yet no where on Earth has ANYONE found a single example of flowering plants or grasses or mammals or birds or reptiles or anything described in either of the Creation Myths found in the Bible below the P/T boundary. No where. Not in Siberia, not in the Middle east, not even in River City.
So unless you can provide some evidence it might be wise for you to stop making silly assertions.

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edge
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Message 890 of 1163 (794366)
11-14-2016 7:08 PM
Reply to: Message 886 by JonF
11-14-2016 6:58 PM


He thinks of transgression/recession cycles as happening over sufficiently short time as to be remembered in human/societal memory. They would stay up in the mountains because they knew it was fruitless to build where the sea would just take it.
Yes, I'm sure.
Nevertheless, my main point was that there have been parts or all of the Absaroka, Zuni and Tejas (major) cratonic cycles since the Permo-Triassic boundary. There have probably been dozens of minor ones.
There were also several such inundations prior to the P/Tr boundary.
To break down the boundary of these 'exclaves' in such an order that we see is pretty unbelievable, regardless of logic.

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edge
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Message 891 of 1163 (794367)
11-14-2016 7:15 PM
Reply to: Message 887 by mindspawn
11-14-2016 6:58 PM


Re: Evolutionary Assumptions
Just for the record, I didn't actually say mountains, there is a difference between highlands and mountains.
So, they were not very high highlands ...
Nevertheless, it is a pretty common observation that people lived near the sea since the earliest humans existed. Climate is moderated and food is more dependable.
My explanation does take into account multiple marine transgressions. That was central to my point, that the transgressions were more common back then, making it difficult for non-amphibuous organisms to survive on the land.
Actually, they were not more common. There was just a longer time period prior to the P/Tr boundary.
As for being ridiculous, that is opinion. When faced with flooding, I would choose highlands.
It is a supported opinion. I have explained why.
Your explanation falls flat, especially when there were numerous opportunities for emigration prior to and long after the P/Tr events, but it didn't happen until just a couple of million years ago.
So, all you have is "I choose highlands".

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edge
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Message 892 of 1163 (794368)
11-14-2016 7:16 PM
Reply to: Message 888 by mindspawn
11-14-2016 7:01 PM


Re: Timeframes
Exactly, my pre-flood timeframes are a little shorter than the Proterozoic-Paleozoic is supposed to be. (understatement- lol)
So, you admit that you ignore old earth evidence as well.
Do you realize that all you have told us is that you base your explanation on a lack of evidence?

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mindspawn
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Message 893 of 1163 (794369)
11-14-2016 7:17 PM
Reply to: Message 889 by jar
11-14-2016 7:03 PM


Re: Siberia
I did post evidence of pre-boundary angiosperms in this thread, maybe you missed it.
The pre-flood biblical account does not mention the Middle east.
My timeframes are different to yours, you know that.
The bible does not locate creation week, except to describe it as the source of four rivers that watered the land. ie a highland area from which rivers flow down.
Yes there were many creatures, pre-flood. Siberia is not inconsistent with the bible account.
Evolutionists are missing more fossils than creationists. So if you cannot find the intermediate of the trilobite, you have no leg to stand on , because evolving of a trilobite from bacteria-like organisms is a silly notion to jump to after Darwin observed a finches beak.

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edge
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Message 894 of 1163 (794370)
11-14-2016 7:20 PM
Reply to: Message 889 by jar
11-14-2016 7:03 PM


Re: Siberia
According to the Bible Creation week did not take place in Siberia.
So, there is another mass migration not in evidence.
Or in the Bible ...
ETA: So it appears that Noah lived in Siberia?
Edited by edge, : No reason given.

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NoNukes
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Message 895 of 1163 (794371)
11-14-2016 7:23 PM
Reply to: Message 861 by mindspawn
11-14-2016 4:35 PM


Re: Loony theory/Obvious theory
I feel no obligation to prove myself to you, just because of your insulting manner. Any observer of this thread can investigate this further, look into the links I provided and also think through the order of events that would occur when a landmass is drying.
Seriously, you complain about insults in response to a thread where you accuse folks of being oblivious to some stupidity that you consider obvious. Apparently you are a loon.
You don't owe me anything. Proving that you are not a moron would be something to do for yourself. Again, just explaining some gross trend without covering the details which don't fit the pattern you describe is what I am accusing you of doing. Your post here doesn't do any better.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

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mindspawn
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Message 896 of 1163 (794372)
11-14-2016 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 892 by edge
11-14-2016 7:16 PM


Re: Timeframes
You say I lack evidence. Very few of you have posted any evidence, I have. I am often quoting to support my statements.
I believe old earth evidence. I am not a YEC.
Anyone can look up OOPARTS and decide which of those out of place artifacts are convincing and which are hoaxes. I wont post them as evidence on this more scientific site, but I do believe there are signs of pre-flood humans.

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edge
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Message 897 of 1163 (794373)
11-14-2016 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 893 by mindspawn
11-14-2016 7:17 PM


Re: Siberia
Evolutionists are missing more fossils than creationists.
Well, that's easy. You simply deny them. The basis for your explanation is denial.
So if you cannot find the intermediate of the trilobite, you have no leg to stand on , because evolving of a trilobite from bacteria-like organisms is a silly notion to jump to after Darwin observed a finches beak.
But no ones says that a trilobite evolved form a bacterium.
Except YECs, of course. That would be called strawman argument.

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edge
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Message 898 of 1163 (794374)
11-14-2016 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 896 by mindspawn
11-14-2016 7:24 PM


Re: Timeframes
Anyone can look up OOPARTS and decide which of those out of place artifacts are convincing and which are hoaxes. I wont post them as evidence on this more scientific site, but I do believe there are signs of pre-flood humans.
If you want to bring up examples that would be good. We could have an actual discussion rather than you just asserting supposed facts.

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mindspawn
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Message 899 of 1163 (794375)
11-14-2016 7:26 PM
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11-14-2016 7:23 PM


Re: Loony theory/Obvious theory
I was called loony by someone on this thread. I responded to that.

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edge
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Message 900 of 1163 (794376)
11-14-2016 7:30 PM
Reply to: Message 899 by mindspawn
11-14-2016 7:26 PM


Re: Loony theory/Obvious theory
I was called loony by someone on this thread. I responded to that.
Well, you ideas are certainly loony.
What do you think of the theory that Noah launched the ark from New Jersey?
I mean, it really makes sense because of the pine barrens, where Noah could have gotten the pitch to seal the ark. Doesn't that make sense to you?
ETA: Hey, there are lots of pine trees in Siberia. And they aren't even angiosperms...
Edited by edge, : No reason given.

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