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Author | Topic: Kent Hovind's debates, can someone help? | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Buzsaw Inactive Member |
That he was calling for the extermination of non-whites, or that he was any more racist than any other English Victorian Christian intellectual male. My take on Darwin's racism is that his version of evolution is inherantly racist, in that blacks were/are the lesser evolved types of humans, the blacks being more of the same color and having some features suggesting lesser evolvement. Would you agree? The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
That was not what you said in the "RACIAL EVOLUTION 101" thread where you quoted Harrub's assertion that Darwin WAS in favour of extermination.
Do you concede that Harrub failed to adequately support his assertion ? You may find the link to Harrub's article in my post 51 of this thread.EvC Forum: Kent Hovind's debates, can someone help?
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 762 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Back near the OP - it's possible that Kent may be off the lecture circuit for a while. He seems to have forgotton to inform the taxman about his $1,000,000+ income in several of the last seven years.
http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/...704/Local/ST006.shtmlis an article from his local paper about it - his lawyer says: "This is based on misperceptions. They don't understand how the church is created and registered, how it operates under church law, which is entirely separate from secular authorities."
Yeah. I bet that'd work for me, too - "The First Church of the Tax-Dodging Buzzard."
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Lithodid-Man Member (Idle past 2958 days) Posts: 504 From: Juneau, Alaska, USA Joined: |
I like to think I can speak from a position of authority. I am an evolutonary biologist who was raised a YEC. I hope that I understand both sides. I lump public YEC's into three categories; the delusional, the misinformed, and the charlatans. People like Carl Baugh fall into the first category. The second are people like Ken Hamm, who I believe are well intentioned but don't actually understand the concepts. The third are people like Hovind, and I include Morris (Sr and Jr) as well as Gish. These are people who know damn well that what they say is crap and keep repeating it for money.
I watched every one of Hovind's video series. I also downloaded his debates. I also faithfully watch his appearances on the Carl Baugh show (drives my wife nuts). I can now honestly express my opinion that the man is a liar. My criteria are simple. Express a fact. On the Carl Baugh show Hovind claimed that a professor challenged him on his claim that a whale's pelvis was vestigial. Hovind countered with his claim that the organ was useful for reproduction. The professor (unamed of course) said that this was true but had to be taught or else Creationism would be the only alternative. (part of Hovind's "lies in the texbooks" series)..This is fraud in my book. What professor? Where was this debate?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1494 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I also faithfully watch his appearances on the Carl Baugh show When is that on? I catch it sometimes on cable but I've never paid enough attention to the timeslot (and no TiVo.) I need a few laughs when Bill O'Rielly isn't on.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
My take on Darwin's racism is that his version of evolution is inherantly racist, in that blacks were/are the lesser evolved types of humans, the blacks being more of the same color and having some features suggesting lesser evolvement. Would you agree? Paul, this is my question to Schraf. Do you care to give your answer this specific question of my post 106?
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
.....it's possible that Kent may be off the lecture circuit for a while. He seems to have forgotton to inform the taxman about his $1,000,000+ income in several of the last seven years. 1. The article does not say he forgot anything.2. He's not charged with a crime or with tax evasion. 3. The article does not say his income was a million plus at any time. In my business, for example, my gross receipts are far more than my income. You need to get your posting data fair and balanced before malaigning the man.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Racism was normal in the 19th Century. Darwin was no more racist then the majority of pwople of his culture and class.
However you have claimed that Darwin was an "ultra-racist" - something you supposedly learned from Hovind - and quoted Harrub's assertion that Darwin favoured extermination of "lesser" races. Now has your position changed since you made the earlier assertions ? Do you now believe that Hovind was wrong and that he misled you ?
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nator Member (Idle past 2197 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: No, I don't agree. Where in "Origin of Species" does Darwin say this? (Aren't you basing your opinion on Hovind's claim that "Origins" is racist and that the Nazis used it?) Specifically, can you provide any support for your claim that Darwin's theory states that more color = less evolved? ...not that Darwin would use the term "less evolved" anyway, because it is nonsensical in the context of natural selection. Just read the damn book, buzsaw, and learn a bit about what you are attempting to criticize.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 762 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Read what I wrote, buz! "seems to have...."
I fully realize that he hasn't been convicted of anything. I'll wait and see. I understand that gross isn't the same as net, too - but I would imagine that you actually file a return each year, don't you, buz? A church is tax-exempt, but the minister isn't - my dad filed a return each and every year. That's the law in this country. [This message has been edited by Coragyps, 04-18-2004]
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Actually, if you own a business or are self-employed, don't you have to file a return every quarter?
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Darwin Storm Inactive Member |
I think that has do with corporate charters. I think single proprieterships are treated on a yearly basis, but I am not 100% certain.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Paul, why do you persist missrepresenting what I say? I based my assessment of Darwin's racism on the fact that he seemed to imply that their eventual elimination would be a good thing for the human race.
I don't think 19th century creationists would consider the elimination of the blacks as a good thing for the human race.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 762 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
I don't think 19th century creationists would consider the elimination of the blacks as a good thing for the human race.
You're probably right there, buz. How would any work have gotten done on the farm if they had vanished?
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
quote: Buz, are you saying that Darwin advocated genocide? Note: I am not putting words in your mouth; I am asking for clarification.
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