The Religious Nature of Evolution, or Lack Thereof

I am very sorry if you think I meant you had actually violated the guidelines. You haven't.If you had I would have pointed it out.Now that you have read them and re-read them I get to read the riot act when you do violate them (as you surely will at some point, we all do)

Sorry Almeyda, but I think that you may have misunderstood my intention in my initial post. Wasn't trying to make any point other than my understanding of religion according to the dictionary.I surely do not want anyone to get the impression that I find christians, or christianity, offensive in any way. Neither would I ever want to imply that a taco could substitute for a legitimate belief system.I hope I have not offended you in any way. If I have, I apologize.Cheers

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No probs.Going on with the topic at hand i found this interesting thing about humanists and their religious belief in evolution. Yes its from the enemies website, but have listen.http://www.answersingenesis.org/AnswersMedia/play.aspx?me...This message has been edited by almeyda, 05-27-2004 09:44 AM

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Going on with the topic at hand i found this interesting thing about humanists and their religious belief in evolution. Yes its from the enemies website, but have listen.

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http://www.answersingenesis.org/AnswersMedia/play.aspx?me...

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Is there a written transcript of this information?

Almeyda,I'm awaiting a reply to this, please.Mark

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Well, I listened to it. There was nothing there except Hamm's assertions as to motive and dealt only with a very small segment of the general population.It still has NOTHING to do with Evolution being a religion or even having a religious nature. In addition, since the vast majority of Christians, not to mention all other religions, also support TOE, it is patently false.If what he said was true then it should be difficult to find a supporter of Evolution that also believes in GOD, even using the limited definition of GOD espoused by Hamm. But the fact is there are quite a few right here on the board that see no conflict between Evolution and a belief in GOD.So nice try, but once again, no proof only unsupported allegations.

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Why bother? It has no content of any value. If anyone thinks it does they can quote the parts that are supposed to be important. They should note that they will have to hunt down what Hamm is referring to since there isn't anyway on the clip to find references.

A subgroup of a philosophical belief system choose to call their belief a religion and at the same time choose to state their acceptance of a scientific theory. How does this make the scientific theory a religion?I'm sure that most members of what ever offshoot of Christianity you espouse accept many, many scientific theories without any question of calling them a religion.So while you might have found this little clip interesting it has no bearing on your argument.

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It was short and to the point, but unfortunately no links or references were given, which leaves me with the task of investigating another claim on my own. Nevertheless, I thank you for the link.Cheers

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jar: "It still has NOTHING to do with Evolution being a religion or even having a religious nature. In addition, since the "VAST MAJORITY" of Christians, not to mention "ALL OTHER RELIGIONS", also support TOE, it is patently false." (emphasis mine)Now that is an interesting quote, one which I have not yet heard. I did not notice any links or references in your post to support this claim so if you have them please provide them for me. I only ask this because the vast majority of christians I have personally spoken with are of the opposite view regarding the theory of evolution, in that they deny its validity outright.As for all other religions, I will have to defer that to others who have knowledge of such because I am not knowledgeable enough to comment due to the fact that I have not had any associations with the members of all other religions.CheersThis message has been edited by DarkStar, 05-27-2004 06:39 PM

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I only ask this because the vast majority of christians I have personally spoken with are of the opposite view regarding the theory of evolution, in that they deny its validity outright.

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You must have the peculiar experience of speaking only with radical fundamentalist Christians, which are a small minority of all Christians.Catholics are the largest single Christian denomination and have no problem with science.Most mainstream Protestant denominations, such as Methodists and Presbyterians, have no problem with scientific findings, either.

Well, the thread is on the religious nature of Evolution.The fact is that every Christian sect I know of has no problems with the TOE. It is not of religious nature and certainly does not deal with those things religion deals with. I probably should not have said the Vast Majority, perhaps a simple majority might have been better.But so far no one has been shown either any religious nature to the TOE or for that matter anything that might invalidate the TOE.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Sorry mark i have nothing to reply to. I do not trust any dating method that can give dates of millions/billions of yrs as they are not reliable and rely more on a presupposition that the world is billions of yrs old. All those numbers you give me is just all crap to me and is just a way of indoctrinating the world more that the earth is billions of yrs old. Creationists have already showed me the problems with dating methods. And all other methods of dating including the ones for a young earth. And all those numbers calculating do not prove anything. My opinion, you have yours.

I realize this is slightly off topic but since I think it has been pretty well established that there is NO religious nature to the TOE or any science for that matter, I thought we might return to some questions asked of you several times to see if we can get answers.When you go out at night, do you see stars in the sky?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

almeyda Which creationists showed you and just exactly what did they show you? It is fine by me if you wish to ignore the evidence but please do not simply give up because you do not understand how to differentiate between sides of an arguenment. Please,by all means, allow us to view the problems that you have been shown. We will do all we can to show you how to judge for yourself based upon understanding how scientists arrive at the conclusions they do.This message has been edited by sidelined, 05-27-2004 11:36 PM

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