The Religious Nature of Evolution, or Lack Thereof

Ok ive decided to make my next topic on theistic evolution.

No probs.Going on with the topic at hand i found this interesting thing about humanists and their religious belief in evolution. Yes its from the enemies website, but have listen.http://www.answersingenesis.org/AnswersMedia/play.aspx?me...This message has been edited by almeyda, 05-27-2004 09:44 AM

Sorry mark i have nothing to reply to. I do not trust any dating method that can give dates of millions/billions of yrs as they are not reliable and rely more on a presupposition that the world is billions of yrs old. All those numbers you give me is just all crap to me and is just a way of indoctrinating the world more that the earth is billions of yrs old. Creationists have already showed me the problems with dating methods. And all other methods of dating including the ones for a young earth. And all those numbers calculating do not prove anything. My opinion, you have yours.

Yes.

Space?.

Yes they exist.

Hmm well i guess in a evolutionary framework they must have taken millions/billions of yrs.

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Which creationists showed you and just exactly what did they show you? It is fine by me if you wish to ignore the evidence but please do not simply give up because you do not understand how to differentiate between sides of an arguenment. Please,by all means, allow us to view the problems that you have been shown. We will do all we can to show you how to judge for yourself based upon understanding how scientists arrive at the conclusions they do.

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Ok i would appreciate your input and help thx you. Anyway creationists have showed me the flaws in dating methods, evidence against old earth etc. I dont want to get into young/old earth issue so his just a short link about the age issue. This of course is just one of the thousands of sources creationists have written on the matter. So please have a listen and i would appreciate any replys to the matter. I did not become a christian 6 months ago from blind faith. But rather was convinced and saved from the evidence for creation and against evolution.BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 150 versions and 50 languages.: Cgi-binThis message has been edited by almeyda, 05-29-2004 06:18 AM

I dont know exactly how far they are. Millions of light years away?. Im not sure.

In an evolutionary world yes. But creationists like Dr Russell Humphreys & his Starlight & Time book has shown great models to answer the question of starlight and time in a young universe. But dont get too confident. As light travel has even caused problems for the big bang model. Light-Travel Time: A Problem for the Big Bang | Answers in Genesis

It was actually refering to evolutionists who try to criticise creation for their problem with starlight and that they cannot speak so much as a problem is evident also in their model. And you say the Bible will continue to be wrong, well no. Just as evolutionists need models, so can creationists. People think the Bible never changes well it doesnt but creation advances, new findings happen just as they happen for evolution. I have his book actually and am currently reading it. Its very hard to just say what the hypothesis is. Me not being a physicist either but he does a good job at making it as plain english as possible. But heres a quick link on Dr Humphreys book & its attacks from critics. (Not as relevant as i would want to show, but its something). Missing Link | Answers in Genesis

Well they are both forms of science. Trying to find truth. The truth is neither is fact and neither is more fact. Evolution has become the only accepted answer to the origins in the mainstream world therefore evolution seems to be the only true science. But this is by far not the case.

Evolution is accepted because it explains God away and the need of a deity. People want God out the picture so they can then live the way they want to live. Man wants to determine truth. If evolutionists agree with creation, then they must also believe the Bible is right therefore there is a God that will judge each and every one of us according. Of course evolutionists, humanists especially, and other views of people do not want this at all. Thats why evolutionists like Dr Dawkins speak on topics as "the necessity of Darwinism" etc. They cannot let a creator in the door at all costs. The only way to rid the world of this so called alternative is to rid the world of it. This includes christian influence on society, and society being heavily influenced upon secular views. Which by nature eventually win. To win the battle of course society from an early age must be indoctrinated into athiestic evolutionary philosophy (Evolution taught in schools, media, and anything mainstream). And making sure those who educate them have passed through the same indoctrination process. Evolutionary theories will always continually change. What was fact in the past now is discarded by evolutionists themselves. And so on and so on it goes. Creation scientist are like the alternative media. Kinda like whatreallyhappened.com, telling you the real truth of origins. This creation propaganda must be stoped! the humanist yell.

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I am an atheist for many reasons that have nothing at all to do with the fact that evolution exists.

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God does not exist because you believe in evolution. See, its like humanism. No deity will save us. Man is a product of biological evolution. What if evolution never ever was invented. Creation would be taught in schools. And there would be no way to escape Gods judgement on sin unless willingly rejecting the truth. However if evolution is true. You can back up your claims of no God with your ideaology about what happened in the
beginning.

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It was not the facts that changed but,rather,our models of those facts

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hmm so your theories changed right?. Your hypothesis. No dramatic advancement as such but more well that didnt work so we will try this. You know just about everything at the scopes trial has now been discarded by evolutionists. And that was the best evidence they had, it won evolution into the schools. But now what 70 or so yrs later we look back and well evolutionists no longer believe just about everything that they said. What does this say to you about fallible mans theories?. Evolution is a hopeless futile quest for nothing. Absolutely nothing, but it is the only theory that can explain the world without creation. Creation is nothing more than getting pushed away from society not because of the evidence but because the implications of it being true. God does exists we must listen to the Bible. He owns all, made all, and will judge all. What man in their right mind would want to live under Gods holy rules?. What a boring life that is dont you think?. Oh well. I wonder whos going to get the last say in this matter.

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You know just about everything at the scopes trial has now been discarded by evolutionists.

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No, I don't. Cite please.

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Useless appendix, vestigal organs (at the time of the scopes trial they actually stated that 180 parts were vestigal structures)Horse evolution (promoted as major/serious evidence of evolution)Piltdown manNeandethal manEmbryonic recapitulation, Haekels fraud etc.Its no different today. Today theres Lucy and all these other evidences that will soon be discarded just as all these were.