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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
I think that they do exist. How they got there and if they are genuine is another matter. How they got there?To set up a hoax, they had to be prepared, and planted from both east and west shores, including entrance into Saudi waters. How likely is that, given Wyatt's limited resources, Egypt and the Saudis allowing it and the huge task of preparation and planting? Such a project would not go un-noticed. Unless they were planted, they are genuine and the notion they were planted is ludicrous. We haven’t been given any proof of any other corroborating things.
You have been given all that is needed so far as the location description on the West, the in place man made, as well as the mountain, rock and plain on the East. These highly support the Biblical historical acount for the presence the chariot parts.
These are both better explanations than the Bible’s version.
They're both just not feasable. You know it and we all know it.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
The whole concept is silly. One factor that limits the size of nomadic bands is just that. "How many people can you move as a body during one day?" Not silly. These people were in top shape, being hard working brick makers. The quota required by Pharoah likely required the help of the women and children. They were rugged and with the ability to travel day and night could move very quickly. Likely they had no wagons, but beasts of burden. With short rest periods, no problem. Nothing in Scripture states how long it took. As I've shown, the number of encampments is irrevalent as to how many days the journey took, factoring in night travel and relatively short rest stops. The Scripture says they went in haste.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
What "huge task" are you talking about ? Planting a few faked chariot wheels, when Wyatt went diving there in the '70s ? What's so difficult about that ? Come on, at least try to root your objections in reality. 1. The numerous wheels would need to be well constructed of hardwood. At least one would have needed to be overlaid with a gold/silver alloy metal.2. He would have also have planted the other tons of scattered coral debris that accompanies the identifiable wheels. 3. He would have needed to risk arrest by doing the dumping in both Saudi and Egyptian waters. 4. As for the other scattered debris, this phenomenon is in waters where there wouldn't ordinarily be coral formation. The few coral reefs that exist in Aqaba are near shore and they are in closely connected reefs, not scattered here and there. 5. The corroborating factors in the area of the chariots at exactly the right place is indicative to them being authentic and not planted. Paul, it is clearly you who needs to get real.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Nothing like having an opponent shoot themselves in the foot.You would not find metal from chariot wheels with rust spots it would be entirely crusted if indeed there was even a trace of metal left after nearly 3 millenia but only IF THEY WERE USING IRON IN THIER CHARIOTS. The only metal used was copper or brass to quiet the noise of the wheels. ......and your source of this notion is what?
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
If there was a wheel it was undoubtly one without much metal. Bronze was the most used metal and they didn't normally use it on chariots, They did use it in burial practices like (Etruscan Art ) and more excist, but chariots were normally simpel wooden vehicles, sometimes stronghtened with some metal nail(s). The disadvantage metal on the outside is that it will fall of rather quickly and is actually totally useless as means of defence. Your link addresses only bronze wheels. It does not address the others and proves nothing about them. The chariots would have some armament on them besides wood. The debris in the photography includes much more than the identifiable wheels. There is likely other metal on the chariots besides what is on the wheels. The rims of the wheels will likely be iron and just as in WWII our planes had extracarricular logo on them and so forth so the proud Egyptians likely dressed up those chariot wheels with some decor. You've not documented the makeup of the chariots perse. The only ones existing today, of course are the ones preserved in graves, but you can't come on and say exactly how the rest of the chariots were made and how much pizaz they had on their wheels. Where is your source?
In water conditions, the only way for wood to remain preserved, is either in very cold water (like the Wasa conditions, where it's too bloody cold for certain worms to live) or under sand. If the wheel survived in the Red Sea, it must have been under the sand. How coral got on it, is a mystery if it is a wooden wheel, unless it belonged to the Pharaoh himslef. Come, let us reason together. The walls of water were held back. When they crashed in upon the Egyptians, it would've been with a horrendously violent rush, burying in the sand much of the debris. That was milleniums ago. Now, over the milleniums things change with some shifting of the sand, some erosion, some different conditions, causing the emergence of some burried debris which was not soon rotted because of burial. The coral encrust the emerging stuff and there you have it. The bottom line is that they're there and you people are desperately grasping for anything you can to keep from admitting that fact, because it debunks your whole darned looser ideology that denies the existence of that other scientifically proven (by observation) dimension in the universe, the invisible higher spiritual dimension.
More unfortunate is the fact that wooden things normally float. That is, unless they have iron axles and rims attached to them or that they are burried or partially burried long enough to be waterloged.
I can't find any description of the Red sea bottom structure where the supposed wheel was found,....
Well, now we can fix that for you if you have the courage and the will. Simply view the video and there you can find them.
If it was sand, then a considerable force was needed to get it under the sand...... Hows about two mighty massive mounds of water powerfully rushing back and crashing in upon the sandy site?
but as soon as coral would get a foothold, the wood would be exposed to air and rot quite quick. Exposed to air? Please explain.
Coral will not grow on wood...... Oh? News to me. Please post your source for this claim.
,.... neither on a thin lair of bronze (or other metal). Thanks. You corroborate our explanation for the lack of coral on the alloyed wheel observed in the film.
It is unlikely that any chariot (accept the pharaoh/general/high priest) had metal decoration on the wheels.
Thanks again. Good explanation as to why only one observed wheel was not coraled.
As a last note. Chariots where seldomly used in battle situations. .........and your source for this claim is what? This message has been edited by buzsaw, 07-21-2004 11:57 PM
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
So Lucy. What would you think of a commander who drove all his chariots into an area that not long ago had been the silted bottom of a sea? Dried up, that is and after having observed multitudes of others preceeding across. Get it right, now, Jar. Let's be fair and objective in our pursuit of truth here. Ok?
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Woops, double click, double post. Deleted for disappearance of double data.
This message has been edited by buzsaw, 07-21-2004 11:54 PM
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Looks like they might have lost a couple and Moller found them 1. Lota difference in a slow narrow stream and a choppy sea or gulf. 2. A "couple" doesn't cut it. Ten identifiable ones in tact after milleniums is indicative of a large number to begin with. GONG!
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Lysimachus, I can't thank you enough for the patient and laborious work you have gone to in this thread, in spite of the repeated opposition, much of which has been ever so fickle. As I stated your arrival on the thread has been like an angel (messenger) from God. May he bless you richly for the work you've gone to, ever so patiently in order that we can all learn the important details of this remarkable discovery. I hope your leg is coming along good. Your pain and loss of time from that has not been pleasant, I'm sure. I guess your loss has been our gain in that we are priveleged by it to get this information as you likely have so much rest and recoup time on your hands. Again, much obliged for your work. buz.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Eta, it's obvious that from your questions you either haven't read much of this thread or have a flawed memory.
Since these 'discoveries' supposedly occurred a few years ago- WHY HAS THIS NOT BEEN THE OBJECT OF LARGE EXPEDITIONS FROM THE BIG RESEARCH FOUNDATIONS AND UNIVERSITIES? Simple. Their whole educational ideological structure would be totally devastated.
WHY IS IT NOT THE LEAD STORY ON CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, BBC etc etc etc. Very simple. Their whole educational ideological structure would be totally devastated.
WHY CAN NO ONE ELSE FIND THESE CHARIOTS? They can. Get National Geographic to send Ballard out there. LOL!!!!
WYATT AND COHORTS PROVIDED INFORMATION WHERE ThIS STUFF IS? Read the thread. Repeaters repeating it have repeatedly repeated it repetitiously.
HOW CAN A KNOWN FRAUD LIKE WYATT CON PEOPLE WITH THIS NONSENSE? Unfair frauds like you who teach fraudulent falacies falsely find him fraudulent.
WHY CAN'T THE WISHFUL THINKERS OUT THERE REALISE THEY ARE SWALLOWING A PILE OF BULLSHIT FROM A KNOWN BULLSHITTER? Take a good look at the young minds full of mush in your classroom who swallow yours year after year. People are reall gullible, aren't they, Eta?
ARE YOU THAT DESPERATE AND WEAK IN YOUR FAITH THAT YOU WILL GRASP ANYTHING, NO MATTER WHAT THE SOURCE, TO BOLSTER IT? PATHETIC! Our ideology requires less faith than thine, me friend. Ye are the folks of great faith. After all, it us who have the real hands on evidence.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
The crux of the argument (at the moment) seems to be the existance of those wheels - Buzz can you do a summary of your evidence for their existance? I agree, Charles. The wheels are what I consider to be the imperical evidence. I have either stated or implied this several times. The other factors are important for adding corroborative support to that evidence nevertheless, and certainly warrant the debate this thread has afforded. The video is available to all who care enough to spend a few bucks to examine the evidence in it. The book, of course would go into the researched evidence more conprehensively. You've been able to see the excellent photography presented in this thread. I'm quite sure there are many who, were it possible, would go out to prove they do not exist. Since denial is impossible, and they know it, nobody's even attempting to do so. They don't want their pet ideologies destroyed or damaged by what their research would likely produce. So far as I'm aware, National Geographic's Dr. Ballard, world famed marine explorer and scientist, has never investigated the site. Why not? Someone correct me if I'm mistaken.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Buzsaw, I would just like to briefly commend you for your efforts in this thread, they have and are being appreciated. Thanks Hydarnes. I would also like to thank you and Lysimachus ever so much for coming aboard and expending all the time and work into the thread. No matter how much evidence is provided for these folks, their secularistic bias rejects the notion of the supernatual dimension in their narrow view of the universe. Even things like this which can be seen and touched if the science community were objectively interested in the truth are purposfully ignored and denied. Your last few posts summs it all up well as to the attitude of our counterparts. There are, however readers as well as posters, I'm sure, who quietly read, and who's minds and hearts are convinced by the reading and viewing of all this that all of this has much to do with verifying the historical accuracy of the Biblical record. Some of our posters are apostates from Christianity and the Bible. Hopefully this will cause them to wisely reconsider such a foolish gamble. Hopefully for others, this will be another crack in the hard secularistic shell that encases their minds. This boards needs more posters like you and your brother to represent the creationist views. I certainly hope you will continue to bless us with your wisdom and knowledge. I hope Lysimachus is mending from the accident well with no lasting disabilities from it. May God richly bless you both.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
I have been to the web site and from there and what has been said here I have no reason to believe it is different than any other documentary. Documentaries as science suck in my opinion. That's understandable. Documentaries such as Moller's are impossible to explain away on paper by doing the math with obscured theories about alleged happenings scores of millions to billions of years ago.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
I've seen the Book and the video. And there is all the substance of a Ron Popeil Slice-n-Dice infomercial. The question is have you read the book and watched the entire video presentation?? The books and videos can both be seen from google and on ebay; lots of them. This message has been edited by buzsaw, 08-01-2004 09:19 PM
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
1. I can't make out exactly how the spokes join onto the rim on the wheel in the water because of the distortion from the stuff. From what I see, it could have joiners there similar to the model.
2. Possibly the special guilted wheels could've been special made somewhat different than the common wheels.
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