"The Exodus Revealed" Video II

Well, not so well known to me. Is this a good time to tell us what the effect is? Thanks.(as an aside it does look like a volcanic layer over something else; it sure doesn't look "burned black". Somebody's imagination is running wild.)

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And you pros who should know better and who are not versed in the matter at hand should do the scientific thing and set out to scientifically debunk the evidence presented rather than outright reject it.

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Well, that's what I'm trying to do.Please answer posts #91 and #92 in this thread buz.I asked you very specific questions regarding methodology and evidence.

The photo you posted is a washed out exposure -- many of the other photos that we have show that Jebel el Lawz is much darker than that! In fact, THE GOLD OF EXODUS pocketbook that came out in 1998 showed a much lighter mountain top on the book cover -- it was ridiculous of them to use that picture (and I think they even lightened it) because it totally defeated the purpose of explaining that the mountain top was a blackened peak!Anyway, "blackened" means that it is darker than the surrounding mountain, not necessarilly completely "black" -- depending on the time of day, the lighting, and the exposure, the photos of the mountain come across as different shades of black/brown.But it IS blackened!

Maybe Lysimachus or someone can post the pics on page 251 and 273 of Moller's book for you to see -- it shows the single mountain peak that is clearly blackened, and it is on the edge of the area where the Hebrews camped (which is all light brown in the satellite photo of the area) -- and then there is an additional area on the left side of the satellite photo that is quite large which is also blackened.Deuteronomy 33: says that "The Lord came from Sinai ... with ten thousands of his saints (angels, holy ones)" -- which means that they ALL may have been there, which is why a huge amount of the mountain range appears to be blackened!

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Originally posted by JimSDA

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Anyway, "blackened" means that it is darker than the surrounding mountain, not necessarilly completely "black" -- depending on the time of day, the lighting, and the exposure, the photos of the mountain come across as different shades of black/brown.

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But if the shades of light and dark differ depending on exposure, and you've never been to the mountain, how do you know the darker pictures are the more accurate?Also, I think you have misunderstood my post, perhaps I wasn't as clear as I could have been. Nevertheless, the geological make-up which causes the appearance of Jabal al Lawz is described by Bramkamp, et al:

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The descriptions of the units from youngest to oldest in the stratigraphic column within the Jabal al Lawz area as given by Bramkamp et al. (1963) are:

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"gm = Granite. Massive, light-colored calc- alkaline granite, mostly without large dikes, in large discordant stocks and batholiths on the flanks of Jabal al Lawz, Jabal Rawa, and Jabal ash Shati.

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gr = Granite. red or salmon, coarse-grained, commonly highly altered espcially in the mountains on the eastern shore of the Gulf of Aqaba; widely scattered throught the Underlying granite and granodiorite and cut by many dikes of basalt, rhyolite, and diabase. (This unit intrudes an older granite and granodiorite, unit gg in places).

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gb = Gabbro. In stocks and sills associated with the greenstone. Some basic intrusives may be younger than the granite and granodiorite unit, gg.

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gd = Greenstone. Diabase, andesite, and basalt; mostly flows, somewhat metamorphosed to greenschist facies, locally to amphibolite."

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The greenstone (gd) overlies older folded calcareous and siliceous schist and slate Silasia formation elsewhere in the area. Bramkamp et al. (1963) regards these rock units to be Pre-Cambrian age. It is intruded by the red or salmon (gr) and preserved as roof pendants as observed by both Bramkamp et al. (1963) and Trent and Johnson (1967).

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http://www.ldolphin.org/sinai.html

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The top greenstone outcrops are roof pendants of older rocks that have been intruded by the uplifting granite. As is made apparent by the picture in my post.AmlodhiThis message has been edited by Amlodhi, 08-09-2004 10:32 AM

It does not matter what some book publisher did.It does not matter if the mountain top look black.Evidence.EVIDENCE ITEM 1: What is it? Blackened Mountain Top.1)WHICH LAB CONDUCTED INDEPENDENT VERIFICATION?2)WHEN WAS THIS CONDUCTED?3)WHAT TESTS WERE PERFORMED?4)WHAT WERE THE RESULTS OF 3?5) WHERE IS THE DOCUMENTATION AROUND THE VERIFICATION PROCESS? AVAILABLE?Jim, for the blackened mountain top to be evidence you MUST first:

1. Determine the cause of the coloring.
2. Show that in the past the mountain was not colored.
3. Date the time of the change in coloration.
4. Show that the color change corresponds to a single, uniform, short term event.

Unless you can answer those questions, the Darkened Mountain is not evidence.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Let's parse the statement... First part: "it shows the single mountain peak that is clearly blackened".That means nothing. Unless you can answer the questions I ask in Message 261 there is no evidence.Next part, "and it is on the edge of the area where the Hebrews camped ".No evidence. If you change the statement to say, "and it is on the edge of the area where we are claiming the Hebrews may have camped" then it might be an acceptable assertion. But it is still not eveidence.Next you assert, "and then there is an additional area on the left side of the satellite photo that is quite large which is also blackened."This actually weakens your arguement since even in the Bible, two pillars of flame are not mentioned. In fact, in the Bible it says that the column of smoke and pillar of flame will go before them. It is very hard to even imagine a mobile mountain.JimDSA, this is the problem. You weave a cleaver cloth, but so far have presented no evidence.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Hi Jar,I think Jim may be referring to Edoxus 19:18 here, where God skydived onto Mount Sinai: Mount Sinai was covered with smoke, because the LORD descended on it in fire. The smoke billowed up from it like smoke from a furnace, the whole mountain trembled violently .However, Deuteronomy 33, talks about the Lord shining forth from Mount Paran. In some interpretations, the Lord's visit to the top of Mount Sinai resulted in his brilliance burning Mount Paran as well.I have no idea if Jim is suggesting that the blackened peak is Mount Sinai or Mount Paran, but I'm sure there will be some very credible explanation.Brian.

Trae,This wheel is a computer enhanced image. It tells you this right in the "Exodus Revealed" tape. You would have noted this had you taken the time to view the video: It was enhhanced to help the viewer understand the exact shape and style the wheel is.

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~Lysimachus

and the problem with a computer-enchanced image is.... answers on a postcard to the following address....

Is it an enhanced image of the wheel in the other photograph in Trae's post ?

"Where is a Cairo Antiquites’ statement on the wheel?"Ron brought up that chariot wheel I believe in the late 1970s and presented it to a person who works at the Cairo Museum -- Ron filmed him at his desk admitting that it looked like the remains of an 18th Dynasty chariot wheel -- Ron left it with him, and then later it "vanished" -- no one could find it -- then a few years later the man he gave it to DIED -- and all that we can figure is that the Cairo Museum guys did not wish to announce this find to the world because, as I explained before, IT MAKES THEM LOOK BAD TO ADMIT THAT THE EGYPTIAN ARMY WAS BEATEN BY THE GOD OF THEIR CURRENT-DAY ENEMIES, THE "HATED JEWS"!So the wheel got "lost" in the basement of the museum and has never been located!Once again, the "agenda" of the people involved completely fouls up the pursuit of knowledge and science --Welcome to planet earth, the most screwed up planet in the Universe!This message has been edited by JimSDA, 08-09-2004 12:20 PMThis message has been edited by JimSDA, 08-09-2004 12:21 PM

Thanks Jim and Buz for holdin' the fort as best you can. But do not despair...Hyd and I have some wammys uh commin'! This message has been edited by Lysimachus, 08-09-2004 12:22 PM

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This is feeble stuff! - the dog ate it!

But you do have Ron's film, or someone has it?Brian.