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Author Topic:   Who designed the ID designer(s)?
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Message 9 of 396 (137981)
08-29-2004 11:40 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by RAZD
08-28-2004 4:38 PM


Re: A form of faith
If the life we see around us was designed, it was designed by someone totally incompetent.
Who designed the ID designer(s)?
So what does that say about the designer of the designer? What does it say about the Boss?
Well, someone who hires a totally incompetent designer and keeps him on the payroll is generally, a bad boss.

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Message 107 of 396 (209370)
05-18-2005 1:21 PM
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05-18-2005 7:55 AM


Ghosts=GODs?
I think the flaw in all of this is the assumption that only Gods can act in supernatural ways. There has long been the assumption that many things can act in supernatural ways, things that are not Gods.

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jar
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Message 206 of 396 (617049)
05-25-2011 4:46 PM
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05-25-2011 4:43 PM


Re: Still a form of faith
Please place Jesus Christ in the lab so that we can test the designer and the method he uses to influence or direct biological design.

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jar
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Message 208 of 396 (617053)
05-25-2011 5:04 PM
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05-25-2011 4:58 PM


Re: Still a form of faith
intellen writes:
jar writes:
Please place Jesus Christ in the lab so that we can test the designer and the method he uses to influence or direct biological design.
That is impossible since, by definition, He is God, therefore, that is impossible. Unless you can easily manipulate Him. But the good is that our science is telling us that in nature, God really exist. This was proven by naturalistic methodology in science. Why can't u accept it? Because of ur religion or what?
Sorry but until you place Jesus on the lab table to test you have nothing but unsupported assertions.
Come back when you have some evidence.
Thank you for playing.

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jar
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Message 210 of 396 (617057)
05-25-2011 5:10 PM
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05-25-2011 5:07 PM


Re: Still a form of faith
I talk no religion, you are the one claiming Jesus is the designer.
Now put him on the table so we can test your assertion.

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jar
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Message 214 of 396 (617062)
05-25-2011 5:22 PM
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05-25-2011 5:19 PM


Re: Still a form of faith
intellen writes:
jar writes:
I talk no religion, you are the one claiming Jesus is the designer.
Now put him on the table so we can test your assertion.
If u don't talk religion, then, you will talk science. If my discovery is wrong, then, u can easily disprove it. But why r u demanding something that even our best scientists could not even do? For example, you will never believe that galaxy exist since we could not put them in lab. That is ridiculous! You are making religion now. Talk science, not religion. PUT up or shut up!
What a really stupid post kid.
I believe galaxies exist BECAUSE we can test for their existence using a variety of approaches, visually, looking at their effect on other objects, measuring the radiation directly.
All are examples of direct testing.
Now place Jesus out there where we can do similar tests.
THAT's called science.

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Message 218 of 396 (617067)
05-25-2011 5:36 PM
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05-25-2011 5:30 PM


Re: Still a form of faith
I will as soon as you place Jesus out there so we can test Jesus just as we test for the galaxies.

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jar
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Message 227 of 396 (617151)
05-26-2011 8:41 AM
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05-26-2011 8:37 AM


Re: Still a form of faith
Unless, of course, the person places evidence of the existence of the god comparable at least to what we have for the existence of Galaxies and also presents the method/model that explains how that god intervenes and designs critters.

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jar
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Message 244 of 396 (617407)
05-28-2011 4:46 PM
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05-28-2011 4:34 PM


Re: Still a form of faith
intellen writes:
jar writes:
I will as soon as you place Jesus out there so we can test Jesus just as we test for the galaxies.
Can you put up forces or gravity and bring them to lab? hahahahahaha...
Just admit that ToE has no explanatory power now.
Of course I can. Hell we did experiments involving forces and gravity in the fifth grade.
The TOE of course has explanatory power, in fact it is the ONLY model that explains the diversity of life we see today. To say otherwise is simply to exhibit extreme *** of the TOE.

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Message 252 of 396 (617463)
05-29-2011 9:13 AM
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05-29-2011 9:02 AM


Re: Still a form of faith
intellen writes:
jar writes:
intellen writes:
jar writes:
I will as soon as you place Jesus out there so we can test Jesus just as we test for the galaxies.
Can you put up forces or gravity and bring them to lab? hahahahahaha...
Just admit that ToE has no explanatory power now.
Of course I can. Hell we did experiments involving forces and gravity in the fifth grade.
The TOE of course has explanatory power, in fact it is the ONLY model that explains the diversity of life we see today. To say otherwise is simply to exhibit extreme *** of the TOE.
Yo did not. You cannot even bring gravity into your pocket! Or test tube! ToE has no explanatory now since ToE has no scientific definition of intelligence and natural, and no boundary line, too.
HUH?
When I put coins in my pocket do they fall to the bottom?
When I pour a liquid into a test tube does it fall to the bottom?
Does intelligence offer a critter an advantage towards living long enough to reproduce?
Do you know what the Theory of Evolution really says?

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Message 255 of 396 (617467)
05-29-2011 9:36 AM
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05-29-2011 9:22 AM


Re: Still a form of faith
intellen writes:
You can't put gravity in test tube but you can test it effect. You have a double-standard position. That is how a religious person works, not scientific.
You did not even get it. If u poke a rat, why it hides?
Of course we can test gravity.
We can actually test gravity, in a lab, in a pocket, in a test tube.
How do we test Jesus as we test gravity?
What are the tests we can perform on Jesus?
Edited by jar, : take out extraneous quotes.

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Message 276 of 396 (617500)
05-29-2011 1:37 PM
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05-29-2011 1:30 PM


Of course Nature reinforces.
intellen writes:
Straggler writes:
So how do we recognie these intelligently designed "reinforcements" from those complex things which have just occurred naturally?
NATURE cannot make reinforcement, so it is very easy to tell. Complex things in nature is only a mimicry of nature. So, it is very easy too.
Why can't nature make reinforcement?
Do you have any understanding of what Natural Selection is?
If those things that work get selected for doesn't that reinforce the trait?

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jar
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Message 280 of 396 (617547)
05-29-2011 6:02 PM
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05-29-2011 5:55 PM


Re: Of course Nature reinforces.
intellen writes:
jar writes:
intellen writes:
Straggler writes:
So how do we recognie these intelligently designed "reinforcements" from those complex things which have just occurred naturally?
NATURE cannot make reinforcement, so it is very easy to tell. Complex things in nature is only a mimicry of nature. So, it is very easy too.
Why can't nature make reinforcement?
Do you have any understanding of what Natural Selection is?
If those things that work get selected for doesn't that reinforce the trait?
Because NATURE cannot think, like thinking humans do.
There is no natural reinforcement, there maybe natural selection. Of course, nat selec is also a fairy tale.
Do some critters succeed in reproducing while others do not?
Do those critters that are more suited to a given environment have a greater chance of living long enough to reproduce?
Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

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