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Author Topic:   Genetic evidence of primate evolution
ebabinski
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Message 23 of 29 (13675)
07-16-2002 9:36 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by John Paul
05-24-2002 2:08 PM


quote:
Originally posted by John Paul:
Creationists see the difference in chromosomes as a tell-tale indication primates and humans did not share a common ancestor. Primates have 48 chromosomes and humans have 46. Evolutionists like to claim the difference is due to chromosomal fussion. If this was the case then with our knowledge of genetic engineering we should be able to effect this change and test the hypothesis. As it stands today there is no way to objectively test the premise that humans and primates shared a common ancestor.
RESPONSE TO JOHN PAUL'S QUESTION ON THE DIFFERENCE IN NUMBER OF HUMAN AND CHIMP CHROMOSOMES: Evidence that human chromosome #2 resulted from the fusion of two formerly distinct chromosomes has been found. See "Comparison of the Human and Great Ape Chromosomes as Evidence for Common Ancestry" by clicking on that article at http://www.gate.net/~rwms/EvoEvidence.html
"The first prediction (evidence of a telomere at the fusion point) is shown to be true in reference 3 ... The second prediction - remnants of the 2p and 2q centromeres is documented in reference 4." Indiana University Bloomington[/URL]
Click to sub-page http://www.indiana.edu/~ensiweb/lessons/chr.bk1.html which shows a detail pic matching human and chimp chromosomes 1-4. Note how banding patterns on the second chromosome in humans lines up with those in two shorter chimp chromosomes, while all the other chromosomes match up one for one.
For matchings on other chromosomes click to http://www.indiana.edu/~ensiweb/lessons/chr.jpeg.html -- note, humans have 22 chromosomes (called autosomes), plus the X and Y.
Go to sub-page http://www.indiana.edu/~ensiweb/lessons/chro.all.html for a beautiful image matching all the chromosomes of four hominids -- human, chimpanzee, gorilla, and orangutan.
Finally see the Hominoid Phylogeny (ancestral tree) based on these chromosome comparisons at http://www.indiana.edu/~ensiweb/lessons/chr.clad.html
Best, Ed
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Edward T. Babinski (author of Leaving the Fold: Testimonies of Former Fundamentalists; Editor of Cretinism or Evilution -- on the web)

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ebabinski
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Message 26 of 29 (14230)
07-26-2002 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Minnemooseus
07-16-2002 10:51 PM


I can e-mail anyone the first issue of Cretinism or Evilution, it's the shortest issue and it fell off the web, but hasn't been reposted in a while. Click on my name to the left of this message and you'll see my main web page listed with links and also be able to reach me via my e-mail address listed there. (ed.babinski@furman.edu)
By the way, I use my full name with middle initial because there are a few other Babinski's on the internet (even some Edward Babinski's). I was joking about my hobby/interests being "knowing everything." I'm just a curious guy, and mostly I like to prove to people that they don't know quite as much as they suppose they do.
Best, Ed
quote:
Originally posted by minnemooseus:
Edward T. Babinski (Mr. Humble) didn't give a link - Here it is:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ce/
Note: I couldn't get the first issue link to work.
Moose


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