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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
I found this comment over at http://darwin.bc.asu.edu/blog/index.php?p=132:
Interestingly, both ISI Web of Science and PubMed search shows no publications for Sternberg in the last ten years... I know some of you have access to these services. Do you know if these are the appropriate searches for Sternberg's field of taxonomy? If so, is this true? Because if true, it starkly contradicts Sternberg's own list of "Refereed Publications" at this page of his website. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Hi, JP!
A few months ago in Message 2 I replied as Admin to a guidelines inquiry from you with this:
There are a few guidelines that when violated will bring swift action: plagiarism, participating as multiple ID's, and huge cut-n-pastes that waste disk space, no matter how apropos. I provide this information in case you were considering claiming you weren't aware of the rule. Your awareness of the rule is also indicated in the previous message where you said this:
John Paul writes: 8. Please do not participate as more than one ID. You can change your user ID by going to your Profile Page and creating a new alias. John Paul- no need to change. Yes, there was no need to change. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Hi, JP!
I wanted to come back to your earlier point regarding this claim from Sternberg at Forbidden!:
The journal has published in areas such as comparative cytogenetics, phylogenetic hypotheses and classifications, developmental studies, and reviews of faunal groups. Sternberg provides a list of representative titles in support of this claim, which I reproduce here in it's entirety:
[text=black]Rickart, E. A. 2003. Chromosomes of Philippine mammals (Insectivora, Dermoptera, Primates, Rodentia, Carnivora). Proc. Biol. Soc. Wash. 116(3): 699-709. Panero, J. and V. A. Funk. 2002. Toward a phylogenetic subfamilial classification for the Compositae (Asteraceae). Proc. Biol. Soc. Wash. 115(4): 909-922. Pohle, G. and F. Marques. 2000. Larval stages of Paradasygyius depressus (Bell, 1835) (Crustacea: Decapoda: Brachyura: Majidae) and a phylogenetic hypothesis for 21 genera of Majidae. Proc. Biol. Soc. Wash. 113: 739-760. Newman, W. A. 1985. The abyssal hydrothermal vent invertebrate fauna: a glimpse of antiquity? Bull. Biol. Soc. Wash. 6: 231242. Brusca, R. C. and B. R. Wallerstein. 1979B. The marine isopod crustaceans of the Gulf of California. II. Idoteidae. New genus, new species, new records, and comments on the morphology, taxonomy and evolution within the family. Proc. Biol. Soc. Wash. 92(2): 253-271.[/text] Summarizing this list, there is one non-taxonomic title in 2003, one in 2002, one in 2000, one in 1985, and one in 1979. This means that 40% of all non-taxonomic articles in the BSW Proceedings have come under Sternberg's watch. Before Sternberg, non-taxonomic articles appeared at the rate of one every six years or so. After Sternberg became editor the rate went up to one per year, six times higher. But that analysis merely takes Sternberg's claim that the list is non-taxonomic at face value. The 2002 article's title is "Toward a phylogenetic subfamiliar classification for the Compositae (Asteraceae)". This is an article on classification, which is what taxonomy is. Or how about the 1979 article titled, "The marine isopod crustaceans of the Gulf of California. II. Idoteidae. New genus, new species, new records, and comments on the morphology, taxonomy and evolution within the family". The article even has taxonomy in the title. So the evidence already indicates that Sternberg greatly exaggerates the amount of non-taxonomic content in the Proceedings. Certainly it appears the Proceedings puts EvC Forum to shame when it comes to staying on topic. But there is more evidence we can examine. While the articles of the Proceedings are not online, the titles and abstracts for the past couple volumes are, and so I provide links to those titles here (the list of titles itself is too long to include in this message).
Let me provide examples of just a few titles:
[text=black]A new species of Procambarus (Crustacea: Decapoda: Cambaridae) from Veracruz, Mexico. Maril Lpez-Meja, Fernando Alvarez, and Luis M. Meja-Ortz, pages 169—175. Pseudopaguristes shidarai, a new species of hermit crab (Crustacea: Decapoda: Diogenidae) from Japan, the fourth species of the genus. Akira Asakura, pages 153—168. A new genus of tiny condor from the Pleistocene of Brazil (Aves: Vulturidae). Herculano M. F. Alvarenga and Storrs L. Olson, pages 1—9. A new species of Magelona Mller, 1858 (Polychaeta: Magelonidae). Mara Teresa Aguado and Guillermo San Martn, pages 542—547.[/text] Note the focus on describing new species or redescribing or reclassifying existing species. Now, here's the title of Meyer's paper. Note that even the wordsmithing done by Sternberg and Meyer on the title couldn't hide the fact that it just doesn't fit, not even close:
[text=black]The origin of biological information and the higher taxonomic categories. Stephen C. Meyer, pages 213—239.[/text] It doesn't even come close to resembling any other title I can find in the BSW Proceedings. The evidence is clear that Sternberg's claim that the BSW Proceedings regularly deviated from its taxonomic focus is false. The evidence is also clear that Sternberg's claim that the Meyer article was consistent with prior articles that had appeared in the BSW Proceedings is also false. --Percy This message has been edited by Percy, 10-01-2004 09:32 AM
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Thanks for checking!
--Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Just as the cold fusion fiasco of Fleischman and Pons ruined their careers, Sternberg's ID fiasco will run his. I predict that Sternberg will not hold his current positions for more than another year. Those positions are:
He'll probably join Discovery Institute or one of the related theological institutions. I don't think this is an iffy prediction. Behe maintains his academic position by publishing legitimate scientific articles and by conducting himself with integrity and honesty in scientific arenas. He makes no secret of what he believes, but he's never tried to sneak his ID beliefs into his technical contributions. This is in stark contrast to Sternberg, who has really stuck his neck out professionally with his editorial misconduct and transparent defenses. We'll keep watch during the next year and see what happens to him. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
After all his denials that the identity of the designer was a consideration for ID, I'd love to see John Paul's reaction to this quote from the Raelian Movement's statement about the Meyer paper:
"The Raelian Movement would like to underscore that The Theory of Intelligent Design does not lead to a supernatural designer but to an extraterrestrial human civilization designer..." Of course, maybe Raelian Movement members aren't genuine IDists. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
As evidence of my perspicacity, I quote myself in full from Message 179 of this thread a few months ago:
Percy writes: Just as the cold fusion fiasco of Fleischman and Pons ruined their careers, Sternberg's ID fiasco will run his. I predict that Sternberg will not hold his current positions for more than another year. Those positions are:
He'll probably join Discovery Institute or one of the related theological institutions. I don't think this is an iffy prediction. Behe maintains his academic position by publishing legitimate scientific articles and by conducting himself with integrity and honesty in scientific arenas. He makes no secret of what he believes, but he's never tried to sneak his ID beliefs into his technical contributions. This is in stark contrast to Sternberg, who has really stuck his neck out professionally with his editorial misconduct and transparent defenses. We'll keep watch during the next year and see what happens to him. Sternberg is making a ridiculous attempt to paint a picture of religious discrimination. The reality is that he's being systematically ostracized for letting his religious views influence his scientific judgement. He abused his editorial authority by rigging the peer-review process, and in defending his misconduct he was less than forthcoming about his views. This is transparently obvious from his defense of the Meyer paper as good science, from his attempts to justify the Meyer paper as an appropriate topic for the BSOW proceedings, and from his defense of ID as a worthy area for scientific investigation. Naturally Sternberg's supervisors and colleagues are shocked and distrustful. It's one thing to disagree on scientific matters, but quite another to disagree on the nature of legitimate science. The transparently religious motivations of the ID movement are not overcome by the equally transparent denials. Sternberg is sorely confused if he believes that the same obfuscations and dissemblings that fool the public would work on the scientific community, and especially on those in his own fields. What's happening to him is the predictable outcome of violating the trust given scientists. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
There were some letters to the editor responding to the WSJ Klinghoffer column: Intelligent Design Intrigues, but Is It Science?.
I'm not sure whether viewing this link requires a WSJ subscription. If others can't view it let me know and I'll post a copy of the page. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Here's a link to a local copy: http:///DataDropsite/WSJ_ID_Letters.html
I used IE to create the copy, and I'm wondering if it is so complete that it even checks registration. Let me know if it's still not accessible and I'll post an image file instead. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Janet Parshall archives previous programs of the week at . I've listened to the segment interviewing Steven Meyer and Bruce Chapman (president of Discovery Institute). Here are brief paraphrased excerpts:
Here's a link to the Behe NYT OpEd piece. You need to register, but it's free: Opinion | Design for Living - The New York Times --Percy
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