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Author Topic:   Who can be saved? A Christian perspective
Phat
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Message 61 of 466 (147373)
10-05-2004 1:05 AM
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10-05-2004 12:56 AM


Re: Minnesota Phats and Jar Jar Blinks
I answered you above, (editing while you replied) but one more point. There is an intelligence in humans that leads to possible accountability...whereas an amoeba...with very limited intelligence, has very little accountability. I guess the next question is this: Who sets the standard for responsibility and accountability? If God expected nothing out of us, it would be His call...but Does He expect anything from us?

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jar
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Message 62 of 466 (147374)
10-05-2004 1:07 AM
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10-05-2004 1:05 AM


Re: Minnesota Phats and Jar Jar Blinks
Do you think GOD would be more forgiving than a human?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 63 of 466 (147376)
10-05-2004 1:20 AM
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10-05-2004 1:05 AM


An interesting aside
The BCP predates the King James Bible and was first complied during the reign of Henry 8th. It was both religious in nature (to bring uniformity to the various translations of the missal in use) but also very political.
If you or any others are interested in learning about it, please start a thread where we can discuss it as it's an interesting subject.

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dpardo
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Message 64 of 466 (147378)
10-05-2004 1:40 AM
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10-04-2004 9:35 PM


Jar writes:
"You can love GOD without acknowledging GOD or even if you deny GOD's very existence."
Would you consider unwillingness to acknowledge God and denying his existence expressions of love?
If we say we love God, how can we then reconcile that with those actions?

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jar
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Message 65 of 466 (147383)
10-05-2004 2:05 AM
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10-05-2004 1:40 AM


If you look at those who are rejected in Matthew 25, I think you will agree that from their reaction, they certainly would be among those saying they love Jesus. But their behavior spoke for them.
It's very much like others that profess a love of GOD, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Jim Bakker, Gene Scott, Jimmy Swaggart, Bob Larson, Robert Tilton, W.V. Grant and who can forget Troy Snowdon. That line up of crooks, liars and bigots all profess belief but does anyone believe they are more than swine and whale spit?
Love is shown, not professed.

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Phat
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Message 66 of 466 (147406)
10-05-2004 4:13 AM
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10-05-2004 2:05 AM


Speaking of Love and forgiveness...
You are being too harsh on judging all of these guys..
does anyone believe they are more than swine and whale spit?
Yes. They are fallen Christians in need of forgiveness. I don't think that ALL of them have come to total repentance yet, but Jim Bakker, for one, started over in soup kitchens and his son is a great street evangelist working with skaters and taggers http://www.jimbakkershow.com/show.html Why do we get so angry when a preacher falls, especially when it involves money, yet we are SO forgiving to the C.E.O. bigwigs and their 100 million dollar thefts which cause thousands to lose their health insurance? I know that Swaggert got got twice, and I am doubtful if he is even repentent now...but can I judge him? The thousands who were duped by these T.V. swindlers are as much as fault themselves for being naive enough to fall for the lie. This does not mean that all media preachers are bad....some of them are very good...such as Charles Stanley and Michael Yousef. Chuck Swindoll is a good radio preacher as is Raul Reese from California. Bakker is forgiven by most of the people whom he misled...lets show some forgiveness and love, Jar Jar!
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jar
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Message 67 of 466 (147448)
10-05-2004 10:33 AM
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10-05-2004 4:13 AM


Re: Speaking of Love and forgiveness...
So you believe that GOD might be able to forgive people like Swindoll, Bakker, Falwell, Scott, and the rest of the liars, bigots, and crooks?
If that is the case, if GOD can forgive such really, really horrible people, why would anyone think for even a second that GOD would not embrace and rejoice in your typical atheist?

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nator
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Message 68 of 466 (147451)
10-05-2004 10:41 AM
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09-11-2004 5:29 PM


quote:
...GOD and Jesus were not bling-bling pimp-daddies ...
Can I just say two things here?
1) That is a freakin' hilarious line, and
2) after seeing your photograph jar, it tickles me to no end that you have used the term "bling-bling pimp daddies".

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nator
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Message 69 of 466 (147452)
10-05-2004 10:41 AM
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09-11-2004 5:29 PM


strange, unprovoked dulpicate post deleted
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Message 70 of 466 (147454)
10-05-2004 10:48 AM
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10-03-2004 12:41 AM


quote:
If that is the case, if GOD reached out to the Jews directly, the Gentiles through Jesus, why couldn't GOD reach out to the Muslims through Mohhamud, asians through Confucious, Buddha and Mencius and Mormons through Joseph Smith.
The Mormons through Joseph Smith?
Smith with his magic rocks and translated golden tablets that nobody but him actually claimed they saw and the fake tablets of gibberish that he "translated" which showed him to be a fraud?
Gosh, jar, what are your thoughts on L. Ron Hubbard?
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jar
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Message 71 of 466 (147457)
10-05-2004 11:00 AM
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10-05-2004 10:48 AM


Gosh, jar, what are your thoughts on L. Ron Hubbard?
Actually, I remember back in the late 50's or 60's when Ron wrote a thought piece in one of the Science Fiction monthlies (I think it was Astounding but it might well have been F&SF) about how to really get rich. "Start a religion", he said, "Keep it exclusive, secretive, and move wealth from the bottom to the top. Tie it into some mumbo-jumbo that sounds scientific; you can even include some realy science since the members will be too dumb to tell the difference. And it's all tax free."

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jar
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Message 72 of 466 (147461)
10-05-2004 11:11 AM
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10-05-2004 10:41 AM


OT but what the hell.
Oh, knowing you I bet you provoked it somehow.

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Phat
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Message 73 of 466 (147474)
10-05-2004 11:47 AM
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10-05-2004 10:33 AM


Re: Speaking of Love and forgiveness...
jar writes:
So you believe that GOD might be able to forgive people like Swindoll, Bakker, Falwell, Scott, and the rest of the liars, bigots, and crooks?
Careful, jar. Swindoll is well respected...watch who you put on your list.
If that is the case, if GOD can forgive such really, really horrible people, why would anyone think for even a second that GOD would not embrace and rejoice in your typical atheist?
I see your point, and I would fully expect God to do so, knowing what a REAL Daddy He is.
The critics would say that you can't just embrace a benevolant easygoing God who saves everybody...because what would be the point of the Bible texts that say that narrow is the path and few find it? Maybe the modern day Pharisees are scared that they could not manipulate their flock if it was known that God loves and accepts everybody! Even if they don't put any bling bling in the plate!

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nator
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Message 74 of 466 (147615)
10-05-2004 5:29 PM
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10-05-2004 11:11 AM


Re: OT but what the hell.
Who...me?
(looks at you with wide-eyes)

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almeyda
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Message 75 of 466 (147693)
10-06-2004 1:03 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by jar
10-03-2004 10:07 AM


To use your interpretation of Matthew 25, is to reject everything Jesus teaches. Because clearly Jesus teaches that only those who love and trust in him as there ONE & ONLY savior will live forever with him.
quote:
But I think you may have totally misread Matthew 25 even though I provided it for you. Please point out the passage in Matthew 25 that says...
The seperation of the sheep and goats is the judgement of the nations. Sheep (saved) & goat (unsaved). Which means that those who didnt accept Christ as there 'Lord' and savior, will not inherit the kingdom.
Verse 32 says And he shall separate them one from another. This is about the seperation of the saved and the unsaved. You actually think Christ will bring athiests or satanics into his flock? You have lost your mind if you believe in that Jar. Thats why i think your living in a new-age fantasy which has those theories like we are all god and mother geisha will come save us all no matter who we are. Thats not the case with Christ. Christ is reality. Verse 41 clearly talks about the judgement of sin. Those who lived in sin and without Christ will be sent into the everlasting fire, prepared for the devil.
quote:
I agree that there are false prophets but I also think it more likely that they are Christian Ministers than Mohammud.
That may well be true. But we DO NOT judge the Bible or Jesus Christ with what man does in this world. Man is terribly sinful. You and me both know that no man has ever been of perfect character & soul, as Jesus Christ. Muhammad was not perfect, nor Buddha, nor Joseph Smith. Trust in the Lord Jesus Christ, it will be a choice you will never ever regret.

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