The "Gospel" Of John

I have read all of the threads here and from them I can tell (not trying to be offensive) that both of you do not understand the context and/or meaning of the Gospel of John and the Bible.I think the reason why you are annoyed with some parts of the Bible is that you don't understand it (again not trying to be offensive). And then some of brennakimi's friends don’t like it for what I feel is the same reason. I will in short describe the meaning of the scripture.It tells about the coming of God in the flesh (Jesus) and his last 3 1/2 years on earth. For those 3 1/2 years he taught the people of Israel as well as the gentiles in the region in which he taught. He had come to teach them of the new covenant that he would make not just for Jews but for the gentiles as well. In the end he died and rose to life again. He did this out of love so that the world might be saved through him and that none may perish but have eternal life in him.You or your friends may be annoyed with this book or the Bible in general because it points out the need for a savior and that no one can be perfect that everyone has faults and that no one can get to heaven by themselves. That is one of the stresses in the Gospel of John and Jesus even says the people who do wrong flee from the light because their deeds are evil but the people who have done good dwell in the light that their good deeds may be shown by the light.
Whether you think it is inerrant is your decision but in the bible it says: for by grace are you saved by FAITH. Ephs 2:8. Also in John it has a part towards the end where Jesus after he rose came to the disciples and said to Thomas: You believe because you have seen, but blessed are those who believe without seeing.To be saved you have to believe that the entire bible is true and accept Jesus as God and savior and understand your need for him. You may not believe that but would you really want to take that chance that it might not be true and face eternal separation from God and banishment in Hell. And I do not say these things acusingly. Jesus came to die because he loved everyone who was, is, and will be on earth and to save them from sin.And if you haven’t I would recommend watching the Gospel of John the motion picture.
God bless.(Spellcheck by AdminPhat)This message has been edited by AdminPhat, 12-07-2004 12:32 AM

I do not say these things on my own accord but for he who sent me.I am the voice one crying in the desert "Make a straight path for the lord to travel."I have not debated anything but shown the wanderers there way home.Sort of like a map. Wich is seen as outdated but leads to treasures if one is willing to follow it.As for what jesus would do... I think he would tell the truth wich i have done not debating anything. I will pray, and shout his name for his name sake.

Jesus was God and sacrificed himself so that we might belive in him. The Gospel of John says that he came to save the world and not condeme it.David sinned, the pope has sinned , you have sinned , I have sinned.Jesus did not and was perfect cause he was God. What greater purpose would there be than to die for his creation in wich he loved.Romans 3:23: "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God".Jesus loves everyone and also makes it evedent in the other gospels and throughout Bible.And also everyone should love oneanother. He said in Mathew "You have been told to love your freinds but hate your enemys, but I tell you to love your enemys".When he was dying on the cross he even prayed for the people crucifiing him.

From the start.Arachnophilia your question "can God die?" is a good question. Jesus was God in the flesh(hint:flesh) he died and rose so that the world might belive that he was who he said he was. And God the Father since he was the God head it makes perfect since why Jesus refered to him as father even though they are the same. And you mentiened condemnations. If you are refering to my comment on sin it is because it is the truth, everybody does sin. And dpardo was right I did mean sinless when i said perfect. Thanks dpardo. And what propaganda? Could you expalian? And how do these books condeme Judisam? And also qouting the koran and other books that go aginst the bible(dont know what dianetics is thogh)? And yet you said in another couple threads that you where a christian? It sounded by what you said that you belived those books. That to me is like saying your on a diet yet have a snikers bar hanging out of your mouth.Anyway back to John.You said that the bible does not have to be all truthfull and that you dont worship it. Well nethier do I, but I would not follow a religon if its teachings were part wrong and part right just like I would not put a celling fan up over my bed if part of the directions to put it up where wrong. It is also like a bridge. You cant go over a bridge that is half built. The Bible says that god is truthfull. Deu 32:4 "a god of truth and without iniquity". The Bible is Gods WORD. And if even just a part of the Bible is wrong that means God lied. But he dosent lie because he is a God of truth. I also dont think that the apostles would have lied or made something up. Why? Because they would have had nothing to gain from it. Unlike Mohammed who lived the rich and carefree life after he proclaimed himself as a prophet of Allah, but the apostles died terrable deaths just like Jesus and where not anywhere close to rich or even middle class. And i dont think they would have gone along with it if they were making it up. They probobly would have renounced there beleifs if they had made it up. Plus these guys were Jews and i dont think they would be hatefull or antisemistic.This message has been edited by Swift, 12-08-2004 12:02 AM

If a man one day came out and said I am God then did nothing to prove it would you belive him. See John 14:28-29 This was song of praise written by David that describes an ordeal that the people of Isreal were having with God. The people where offering the sacrifice of the lamb or whatever animal they were using but not themselves and would be quick to sin agin. He conquers spiritual death more than he does physical death. Even thogh we see him in gethsemene fearing and asking God the Father to take his death away from him he feared more than physical death but seperation from God the Father. Since he bore seperation for us we can be saved from the seperation from God in Hell. So then you belive that he was not God. So then what will beliveing on him get you if he was not God. It wolud get you nowhere cause he would be sinfull like everyone else and dying for use would have done nothing to save us cause he was not God who is sinless.Rom. 3:23 "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God." Hell is our price for sining aginst God. I deserve Hell because i have sinned but God gave me his son and payed the price for everyone.I see nothing in theses to condeme it of propaganda. It tells what the Jews did to get rid of Jesus. And Jesus gave his life no one took it from him cause he gave it himself.I was not calling you a hypocryte i sad it SOUNDED like you belived them. And as i saw in another thread someone else thoght so to.They show this to show that the prophcies are true since one of the propecies said he would be related to david. God choose the men who would write the bible and led there hand to write what was true or else he would not have picked them to write it. Please point out the problems you think it has. I would like to see them. He didnt lie they did die, but not so much phsycly. Instead they died spirtually having sinned and become seperated from God cause of there sin. God also made the 10 comandments wich stats "thou shalt not lie" so why would he break his own law. Yes today we do but back then they got to be best freinds with Neros pets in the coloseum. In a way if you look at it though they where kind of tax-exempt, permanently. Paul became dog poor after a wihle by the way. Its not cheap to do all that traveling so he had nothing to gain. They were killed cause Nero was siko and liked to torment people.This message has been edited by Swift, 12-09-2004 12:55 AM

It dosent but I didnt say that. You did. I stated that the aposles had nothing to gain from lying unlike Mohammed who after being proclaimed the prophet of allah Became very rich and had grand army.

Jews before Christ came were taught that the word of God was the same as God cause it came from God. Hence Jesus is the word.

made mistakes in message 52 so i edited it. if you started reply read back over it.

I got the info from a comentater so i can not prove that it is true but he obvesly knows more than I do cause he has studied the Bible thorughly. But can you prove that it is not true that the Jews were taught that. And the book can be destroyed but not his word wich he had put in it for it it will allways be with him like Jesus will always be with him. And what idolatry i dont whorship the bible i whorship the one who gave it to man. God. And God is not stupid to put trust in people who would falsafy it just like you would not put your faith in a white-collar crook to write your checks if you ran a buissness.This message has been edited by Swift, 12-09-2004 11:24 PM

I said the 12 had nothing to gain from lying about religon not religon itself. Cause back in there time they were hated and brutaly killed and therefore had no reson to lie cause i dont think anybody would want to die for something they lied about.

Then read these and let God ansewrer them : Isaiah 2 (9:6) (7:14) John 8:58 plus Exodus 3:14 John 10:30 (and 14:7) Jesus was not a bull(the sacrafice is to the past to signifiy the coming of Jesus and his death as the lords supper is to when Jesus died in remembrance of him). He was God the Son wich is the same as God (read verses above) who paid seperation from God the Father so that we may not have seperation from him in Hell. seperation from God. God is sinless we arnt and would surley go to Hell if it werent for God the Son who paid the price. but yet it is demanded by his law. The problem was (like i said) that the Jews were using it as a license to sin and didnt offer themselves (or called there obedience in otherwords) to God cause they cared for nothing but there social life like some false cristians and even some cristians do. i never said he expects us to be God.Lucifer was cabable of sin so all other angels must be to. what did i fail to address and i will adress it . but i do not have time to address everything but will try. Acutually it transalates as day star. Whose missing the point now. He gave himself up. He knew that they where coming for him but didnt run. Well if Pres. Bush said noone could everagine buy use or sell guns and then you drive past the white house and saw him target practicing with a winchester rifle you wouldnt think he was to just and you proboblly would not vote for him agin. But the bible says God is truthful and just. You yourself have sad God wasnt cruel and wouldnt you say that someone who dosent keep there own commandments but makes others follow them or else cruel. Both are correct one goes back further than the other. The reson i sckiped it in the last is because i dont have the time.And I im sorry the propheciy didnt say he would be related to but the heir to the thron. But I in some way was right cause he would have to have been direct disendance of David to inherit the thron. fullfelment in Mt. 1:6 The curch didnt have tax exemption exept if it was thru Neros pets or some other gressly death. You didnt get the point. Nero was quit aware of what was going on, he was not mentaly ill like Caligula but he was perverse. Proof:He had sent an army HIMSELF to take the land between the Rhine river and another river (cant remember the name). But failed miserably and was aware of it cause he went into mourning. We have perv's today and they arnt all out of touch. His people didnt like the christians and he used that as an excuse to have his so called fun. Ans Paul by request went to see Nero not by the request of his underlings. He did this not to teach that everyone that they should give away stuff but that your possesions can get in the way of God since obviosly people spend more time with posesions than they do God. True? The ordeal with the rich man showed man loves possesions more than God. Well we know not everyone is going to heaven so were do you think they will go.
God isnt cruel cause he gave his son so that we might not go there.
Hell was meant for satan and his demons but people choose to follow satan and end up in the same place he will be in for eternity.This message has been edited by Swift, 12-10-2004 12:02 AMThis message has been edited by Swift, 12-10-2004 12:10 AM

Where did you get that interpretaion? And do you know what imanual means?John 8:58-Exodus 3:14
read them together and compare them.
And what joke? They are in a since. They are supose to care for one another as they care for themselves.The truth is there, but you ignore it cause it is not what you want to hear. We do take a part in it by beliveing in jeaus as who he said he was. Nothing exept eterntity in Hell seperated from God. Nothing. Jesus is our free gift. Tehy can if that other person is God. In this case Jesus. Then that is your reson to belive God became a man so that we might be saved. We are seperate from God cause of our sin. When Jesus was crucified God had turned his back on his son and theres where Jesus became seperated from God the Father.
I cal it tamato you call it tumato. it is still the same thingi dont get what your saying in the next one. explain. A word can change its meaning ove time. exp. its cool outside=hey man cool
or lets have a gay old time=Ahhh lets not! The word perfect in the king james version means blameless in todays languge. It dosint mean they havint sined though. Its like your crimanal record. If you have not commited any major crimes or felonys than you are blameless in a since. its like you have sinned but not kept doing it and doing it to spit God and have tried to follow Gods law and do what he wants to the extent of your abilatys. Then what was he a leprachaun! and agin explain. refrences paridise lost. Then who is the devil if it is not lucifer.It was a title before he was kiked out of heaven. isaiah 14:12 and on. Who? Atheists? He is not God i was showing that we would not accept someone who dosent follow there own rules. And if God lied then the whole bible lied and so we would both be folowing false teachings cause the bible says God dosent sin yet you said he does. where?geneologysluke wrrote about marys geneology and its relation to the propecies.

Prove it! That means they wont be there when it happens. Good job. but yet you say its harasy.good luck with that. Ok. you give him your soul. work for you. probbly not. prove it HOW! He said he was God. and its in the bible. What you said.
Ill let people draw there own conclusions. i meant to say seperated. sorry typo. I was tiered. It also seems he is talking about someone else besides the king since the king has never fallen from heaven caus no human has came from heaven. You put human limitaions on God. . good job. and i didnt mean he leteraly turned his back on Jesus. ya in the KJV! Stay focused! do you read greek? Jacob. Today we have son in laws. back then tho when they married into that famly they just called him son. Joseph was Heli's son in law.

yes but you miss the point.
Jesus=salvation from etenal seperation from god.
We ask God to forgive or sins when we have sinned and Jesus made this possible.

the 10 commandments are laws of God.