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robinrohan Inactive Member |
In very early days, animal sacrifice to the gods was supposed to be food for the gods. The gods needed humans as much as humans needed gods.
Even in Leviticus, "the priest shall burn it on the altar as food offered by fire to the Lord" (3:11).
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
With the levelling of Jerusalem, were the Jewish Christians so scattered that Paul`s version gained the upper hand? There is little doubt that with the destruction of Jerusalem the bureaucracy that was in place in Palestine was severely disrupted. I think there are several other factors though that can be seen in the various Bibles and Canon that can be found in the Christian Communion. The Christian Church in Egypt and Ethiopia were pretty well established by that time. It appears that many of the significant people from the original Apostles headed south, not unexpected condisering that was away from the Roman power and a historic presence for Judaism. If we look at the Ethiopian Bible as an example, it is quite different than the Hellenistic one. Another major issue IMHO is that for the Western Orthodox Churches (RC,COE, Protestant) we are getting a filtered history. When the Church was Nationalized and Politicized, all of the original POV and the perspective of those other than the Hellene Sects was lost. Instead, all we see is the politically approved history as determined under Constantine. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1364 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
The Egyptians knew that they were not coming back. The text even says that the Egyptians were urgent upon them to leave. The term "borrowed" here does not imply that they were going to return the items. no, the original pretext of the whole charade was going out into the wilderness for a ceremony, from which they would return. it was this that pharoah wouldn't allow them to do, and this they were sending them to. the text would not say "lent" if they knew they wouldn't come back. seriously, read your own quote again. it's one big trick, that god himself actually plays a part in.
If you are referring to the flood in Genesis, God more accurately spared the "millions of innocent children" from the adults (Genesis 6:5): no, i was refering to passover, continuing the exodus theme.
I guess it didn't occur to you to look at it from God's perspective for a second. no, it has. and that EXACTLY the point.
God lied? Let's see your support for this? genesis 2 and 3. i'd quote it again, but i'm getting tired of this debate.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1364 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
What? You lost me here. Jesus is breaking God's law by claiming to be God even if he is, in fact, God (the son)? is jesus a man? (at least in part) is jesus a jew? (descended from jacob) if he was, then he is bound by the law, no different than any other man. why do people make GOD out to be bound by his own laws, but that jesus was NOT bound by god's laws? that makes no sense. for jesus to have not sinned, he had to have NOT SINNED.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1364 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
He can't "just" forgive us when we sin. so there is something that god cannot do? blasphemy.
Before Jesus, the sin offering was required, and it was offered in faith. Jesus forgave sins (in the instances mentioned in the gospels) because of their faith. After his death, our faith (in Jesus) is the instrument by which our sins are forgiven. i revert back to my questions. how do jews atone for sins? salvation and sacrifice are clearly NOT linked. sacrifices were given out of a personal desire to do so, not god needing dead animals. in fact, those dead animals often served the purpose of feeding the clergy. tell me, did the sanhedrin eat jesus?
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1364 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
When you can perform miracles (heal, raise people from the dead, etc.), please send me an e-mail. while we're on challenges of faith, try mark's definition of a christian on for size:
quote: go drink some bleach and then give me an e-mail.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1364 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Arachnophilia, You ask these questions as if you haven't read the bible. no, i ask these questions as if you haven't. i'm trying to demonstrate that salvation does not lay in death, but rather faith. you demonstrate a rather large misunderstanding of the judaic roots of christianity. (as does paul, i think. which is rather ironic, paul being jewish.) a jew is not "saved" by works. or faith. most that i've talked to don't even think that way. it's simply for who they are: god's chosen, and it's not in terms of being saved from anything. sticking to the law comes a form of respect god's love.
Romans 11 says: telling me to read that chapter would have been far more efficient. and i still don't like paul, nor pauline christianity.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1364 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
In very early days, animal sacrifice to the gods was supposed to be food for the gods. The gods needed humans as much as humans needed gods. Even in Leviticus, "the priest shall burn it on the altar as food offered by fire to the Lord" (3:11). there's some suggestion that sacrifices evolved sort of organically out of a way satisfy predators that would hunt the flocks and herds, and into a way to ward off and satisfy evil spirits. the verse about azazel in leviticus may be evidence of this.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4014 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
quote:Dammit,Arach, you exposed my secret plan to separate real Christians from PCs (Pretend or Pseudo-Christians). So far, I haven`t needed to use the poisoned chalice
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2285 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. So thats where snake handling comes from. *not an actual doctor
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1364 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Dammit,Arach, you exposed my secret plan to separate real Christians from PCs (Pretend or Pseudo-Christians). So far, I haven`t needed to use the poisoned chalice sorry, but if we we're going to play the "you're not a christian" game, i'm gonna win.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1364 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
So thats where snake handling comes from. yes. and drinking stricnine. they build up slow tolerances. so, yes, the crazies and pentecostals are strictly biblical.
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dpardo Inactive Member |
Arachnophilia writes: why do people make GOD out to be bound by his own laws, but that jesus was NOT bound by god's laws? that makes no sense. for jesus to have not sinned, he had to have NOT SINNED. I am still unclear what you are at odds with here. If Jesus, who is God the Son, claimed to be God, where is the sin? He is being truthful. He did not claim to be God the Father. Remember the whole Trinity doctrine?
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dpardo Inactive Member |
Arachnophilia writes: so there is something that god cannot do? blasphemy. Interesting attempt to quote mine me. God cannot just "brush off" sin because he is just and holy. It would be a violation of his nature and decrees. Even though you may not personally see it, all unconfessed and unrepented sin receives punishment.
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