Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 64 (9163 total)
3 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,411 Year: 3,668/9,624 Month: 539/974 Week: 152/276 Day: 26/23 Hour: 2/4


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   The "Gospel" Of John
dpardo
Inactive Member


Message 185 of 215 (169375)
12-17-2004 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 182 by purpledawn
12-16-2004 9:00 PM


Re: John Requires Belief in Jesus
Purpledawn writes:
If you notice, the Book of John doesn't talk of repentance.
What is repentance?
John 8:11:
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
John 5:14:
14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 182 by purpledawn, posted 12-16-2004 9:00 PM purpledawn has not replied

  
dpardo
Inactive Member


Message 186 of 215 (169376)
12-17-2004 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by arachnophilia
12-17-2004 1:33 AM


Arachnophilia writes:
whole biblical texts like job deal with trying to explain an unjust god.
This is your interpretation of Job?
Please start a new thread if you want to discuss the Book of Job.
Unjust God? (sigh)

This message is a reply to:
 Message 183 by arachnophilia, posted 12-17-2004 1:33 AM arachnophilia has not replied

  
dpardo
Inactive Member


Message 187 of 215 (169379)
12-17-2004 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by arachnophilia
12-17-2004 1:33 AM


Arachnophilia writes:
so an ordinary human being is more powerful than god?
and yes, the father in the story IS god. christ is telling us about the forgiveness of god.
The forgiveness of an ordinary human being is not the same as God's forgiveness.
We didn't make the rules. Neither did we make the punishment.
Our rules and punishments are not the same as God's rules and punishments.
No, the father in the story is not God. The story is of a human father that Jesus uses to construct a comparison that his audience would understand.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 183 by arachnophilia, posted 12-17-2004 1:33 AM arachnophilia has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 190 by arachnophilia, posted 12-17-2004 6:12 PM dpardo has not replied

  
dpardo
Inactive Member


Message 188 of 215 (169380)
12-17-2004 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by arachnophilia
12-17-2004 1:33 AM


Arachnophilia writes:
see purpledawn's post. he knows what's going on.
I thought Purpledawn was a "she".

This message is a reply to:
 Message 183 by arachnophilia, posted 12-17-2004 1:33 AM arachnophilia has not replied

  
dpardo
Inactive Member


Message 189 of 215 (169382)
12-17-2004 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by arachnophilia
12-17-2004 1:33 AM


Arachnophilia writes:
i don't know either. still haven't read all of it. and my understanding of god, and reading of the bible is always evolving.
Perhaps it would clear some issues up if you read all of the bible.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 183 by arachnophilia, posted 12-17-2004 1:33 AM arachnophilia has not replied

  
dpardo
Inactive Member


Message 193 of 215 (169623)
12-17-2004 11:28 PM
Reply to: Message 192 by purpledawn
12-17-2004 8:30 PM


Purpledawn writes:
You get points for trying.
Why thank you.
I certainly am trying!
Good night for now.
I will address your points tomorrow.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 192 by purpledawn, posted 12-17-2004 8:30 PM purpledawn has not replied

  
dpardo
Inactive Member


Message 197 of 215 (169735)
12-18-2004 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 192 by purpledawn
12-17-2004 8:30 PM


Purpledawn writes:
Since you jumped to 1 Peter, does that mean you understand that the speech supposedly made by Peter in Acts is not in agreement with the message in the Book of John?
No.
The reason I referenced 1 Peter is to show you that the New Testament is consistent.
The Book of Acts is sufficient to prove that the Gospel of John is consistent with the other gospels.
Your contention, from your extra-biblical source, concerning John 9:22:
22 These words spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.
has proven nothing. Since there is no incident in the gospels of someone confessing Jesus as the Christ in a synagogue during his ministry, we can neither confirm nor deny the veracity of the verse.
I have shown you, however, that it is a reasonable claim given all of the animosity that the unbelieving Jews had toward Jesus.
Purpledawn writes:
The Book of 1 Peter is not considered to be written by the apostle Peter. It is considered to be written about 80-110CE. You'll have to research that yourself. If you read the Book of 1 Peter you will notice that the overall theme is not the same as Peter's speech in Acts. 1 Peter sounds more like Paul.
Well if 1 Peter sounds more like Paul, you better not allow me to use it to prove anything. How convenient.
Purpledawn writes:
The story in John 7:53-8:11 is not in the earlier manuscripts, so it is a later addition. This also shows the book has been altered.
Do you have the earliest manuscripts so that you can claim something like this?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 192 by purpledawn, posted 12-17-2004 8:30 PM purpledawn has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 198 by purpledawn, posted 12-18-2004 7:10 PM dpardo has not replied
 Message 200 by purpledawn, posted 12-27-2004 8:02 PM dpardo has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024