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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 3994 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Which John are you talking about? John Zebedee? Beloved Disciple John? Acts John? John the Elder? If you bring in Revelations, you open another can of fish.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 3994 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Welcome,Swift. If you care to stroll around the other threads, you will find quoting propaganda gets short shrift here. If there were such a thing as the Atheist`s Bible, would you accept as evidence, me quoting from it? Thus, you have to prove your point by dissecting the topic and backing it up with external evidence or convincing argument. This business of merely quoting scripture (even in a scripture discussion) will earn you few points.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 3994 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Hi, Pb. I guess isolating a Believer might be like nominating the length of a piece of string. Which branch, sect, group of Christianity do we inspect? Which of the variety of translations of the Bible do we call inerrant? Which interpretations of which Scriptures do we follow? Do we accept that interpretation of that version of that group as inerrent? Or do we do our own scholarship to see if we are correctly informed? If your scholarship makes you question your group dogma, do you try to get the group to reassess or change their doctrine, or do you accept the group`s views and submerge your own? No good saying you are guided by God or the Holy Spirit, because that`s what every other splinter group claims, and different views can`t all be right.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 3994 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Careful, Arach, questioning dogma/doctrine and detecting the senselessness of THE bible, will put you on the slippery slope to Atheism. Just takes that final leap to cross over.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 3994 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
S.O.P. for EvC, Jar. That`s why we pay you those enormous salaries.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 3994 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
To digress(as we usually do)
Black man is crying on the steps of the biggest cathedral in (say) Boston. Feller comes up and asks, 'What are you crying?' Black man says,'They won`t let me in.' Jesus says,' They won`t let me in, either.'
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 3994 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
I thought Schonfield (Those Incredible Christians) made a reasonable fist of describing the Messianic fervour that gripped the various Jewish factions leading up to the destruction Of Jerusalem. He delves into the authorship of John`s Gospel. One thing he covers that I have never seen discussed elsewhere, was the clash between Paul and the Apostolic Authority in Jerusalem, and the snide remarks Paul makes against them. Seems that he needed their recognition, but was determined to go his own way,regardless.With the levelling of Jerusalem, were the Jewish Christians so scattered that Paul`s version gained the upper hand?
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 3994 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
quote:Dammit,Arach, you exposed my secret plan to separate real Christians from PCs (Pretend or Pseudo-Christians). So far, I haven`t needed to use the poisoned chalice
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 3994 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
quote:No, without Paul what you have are the Ebionites, led by the physical brother of Jesus, James.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 3994 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
quote:I believe they only followed the Gospel of Matthew.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 3994 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Welcome, Jamska. So in the post-resurrection period, we appear to have:
---the Jewish Nazoreans (Nazarites?) who followed the apostles, including Peter, James (physical brother of Jesus)and John (the beloved disciple?)(or were they the Zebedee boys?)who may(or may not)have worshipped a divine Jesus and retained Jewish practices ---the Hellenic/Roman followers of Pauline Christianity trying to cut the ties with Jewish worship ---the Jewish Ebionites who followed the belief of a non-divine Messiah, but denied the inspiration of Paul --- possibly the Essenes (if the DSS really refer to either the Essenes or Christianity via the Teacher of Righteousness) ---and John (via his Gospel), seeking another approach. I think I feel a headache coming on.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 3994 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
quote:It might need another thread, but there is a lot of evidence that the pericope de adultera COULD have been in the earlier manuscripts.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 3994 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Hi, PD, Arach, don`t you just love these circular arguments.
Edited to add 'The Bible is inerrant.' 'How do you know?' 'The Bible tells me so.' This message has been edited by Nighttrain, 12-18-2004 07:58 PM
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