Inerrancy of the Bible 2

Well, if Star Trek is believable, human wisdom found a way to accelerate to Warp 9 without everyone slamming into the back of the ship, right? Surely a Creator of the Universe could protect His humble sheep herders as well, don't you think?

Tom, I am a Christian, and, I am commanded to pray for ALL leaders be they good or evil. It is only interesting to me that George W. Bush and "last days" are in the same sentence! Talk about belief! Perhaps God allowed Bush to bring about the Last Days! He is definitely no Messiah!

I will agree with you to a point, Brian. You must remember that from the perspective of a new believer, God is the new King on the Throne of the intellect. The very action of believing in God is not just admitting that the supernatural is real==it is admitting that ones internal wisdom is incapable of perfection. I myself will not admit that the Bible is innaccurate, but I WILL concede that is certainly seems inaccurate numerous times.
It is my philosophy that if I have a problem with something, I don't chuck it until and unless a better solution is found.
With the Bible, the only "better" solution appears to be bowing to human "wisdom" and science as the "new" solution for my future problems.This conflicts with my belief. Yes, I have "met" God in my heart. I have determined that He is bigger than just me and my internal perceptions. He is able to represent a better message of hope to humanity than anything that humans by themselves can come up with...be they scientists, philosophers, or teachers.He is the anchor to my world view. He is as personal to me as my own Mother! Lets say that a man wanted to believe and then prayed when his Mother became ill. She died nonetheless, and the man became bitter---not only to God but to the very concept of a god. The reaction is typical. Often, we can become angry with God. How could I as a mere human help this man? By telling him that death is a natural thing? By showing him that God still loves him, or by telling him that God is not real? Do you expect me to believe that psychology could have helped this man with his pain any more than God can?Perhaps others comforted him in his loss. No doubt this man may have had many good friends. Some are well meaning drunks. Some are religious fanatics. All are human, of course. See...to me, love is more than creature bonding. Humans alone recognize the concept of a future...a destiny...and a purpose.For me as a Christian, God is eternal...loving, powerful, and "in charge". I can relax knowing this.For the man who lost a loving Mother, there will be moments...perhaps alone at the Pub after his buddies get too drunk to make sense...when he too will question whether human wisdom and creature bonding will itself be enough to give him a full and total confidence in the future. (and comfort in the present) To you, Brian...I ask you a question. You have asked Christians why they keep denying reality and continue to believe in God despite the evidence to the contrary.And so I ask you---what is the motive within you that gives you a passion for stomping out this myth? You are 100% sure, of course. Is it that you want young minds to be critical thinkers? I know that to be true.Is it that you never want anyone to get hurt by a "false promise?"
I also think that you know where I am coming from.I can only say this: Science in its strict cold logic form will tell us that our loved ones who are gone are literally gone!My Dad died when I was 17. He is gone. I do not believe that the essence of my Father is dead. Nor do I believe that God has ever let me down. He loves me at least as much as my natural Father ever did.I don't need Jerry Fallwell to prove to you that the absolute proof is the absolute love in my heart! Keep the Faith, Brian!This message has been edited by Phatboy, 01-23-2005 12:03 AM

Read this link. There is more than one side to any situation or interpretation.
http://www.biblicalchronologist.org/features/exodus.phpThis message has been edited by Phatboy, 01-26-2005 07:00 AM

Quite honestly, ramoss, no I merely grazed it and posted it.
Basic issue: Is the Bible given as is? Is there no way to improve the message that this book has for us?
In my own mind, the verdict is inconclusive in regards to the impact and depth of the Bible. As I have preached before, I believe that a lot of how one views reality is based upon how one views the history of the origins of humanity. If you were to ask me flat out if there was once a man who actually built a boat, collected a bunch of animals, and ended up high on a mountain in Turkey which...if you calculate the height would place quite a lot of water over the planet, I would say that what you state makes a lot of sense. My view, and my belief, are that God exists and is alive and personal. The issue is not 6000 years vs 15 billion. The issue is do I believe that God created everything? The issue is not a literal flood. The issue is to ask oneself what is the parable...the moral...and the meaning of this story? The issue is about trust. Why do I trust in my belief?
Let us examine the definition of reality. What is reality? How does life appear--to you?
The dictionary defines reality as Such is reality in terms of objective analysis. But reality is not just objective, there is also a subjective or personal side to reality which is rooted in our feelings, attitudes, and beliefs. Lets take belief in God, Jesus, the Bible, and Spiritual warfare.1) Biblical Inerrency. Thus, the first lens presupposes that God is our origin and that we either choose to trace our origin of belief to Him personally, or to human religion and wisdom critically and rationally.
There is no gray area within these thought concepts.The issue is whether God first existed or whether human wisdom first made up God in storied form.Biblical Inerrency is really tied in with an absolute idea and belief about God vs an evolving human derived idea.
So how do you tell the difference? I chose to believe, but I believe that He chose me. He was reality before I was.How do you know? Ask Him.This message has been edited by Phatboy, 01-27-2005 05:58 AM

First of all, your analogy to the IPU appears flawed.
It is flawed unless YOU can tell me, in all honesty, that you met the IPU and your entire perception of reality was changed.Second, the issue is NOT about a worldwide flood. Its like that other argument about whether the planet stopped one day. Did it?
In all logical probability, no. The issue is the source of reality.
If God is the source, than anything is possible. See Ramoss, in my world, the IPU COULD theoretically be created by God. In all probability, no. Theoretically, yes. In YOUR world, you can create God..or an IPU...or turn water into wine. In MY world, God created you, knows you better than you know yourself, and exists despite your evidence or acknowledgement of Him.
He does not exist because I imagine Him to exist. He would exist even if I did not. If you believe that there is any essence of soul, spirit, or internal characteristic that seperates humans from the rest of the animals, we can talk. If you do not, wait around until the Dolphins tell you about it. If they are capable of potential communication such as we are, they will not merely tell you about their mate, their food, and the climate. They will tell you about something greater than creation.This message has been edited by Phatboy, 01-27-2005 08:54 AM

And you may ask me how I know that my experience was defined as meeting God vs meeting an alien, a demon, or a mental illness. I can assure you that I know. The question is how do YOU know? Keep talking to me and listening to all points of view. You will conclude my sanity or lack thereof. If I am sane, by your definition, you can only then conclude that I believe because I have faith that what I experienced was real.
Whether or not God is real to you or not is your choice. If, however, you conclude that I am insane, you may remind yourself of the source of wisdom that defines insanity vs sanity.This message has been edited by Phatboy, 01-28-2005 07:11 AM