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Eta_Carinae
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Message 31 of 40 (183335)
02-05-2005 8:00 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Sylas
02-05-2005 7:46 PM


Re: You bugger....
Thanks.
Do you still go to TWeb? That place seems dead. I haven't posted there in a while since that huge star formation thread was alive.
That was the Cooperstock paper. I just remembered it in the recesses of my mind. I'll reread it tonight.
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Sylas
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Message 32 of 40 (183336)
02-05-2005 8:07 PM
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02-05-2005 8:00 PM


TWEB
Do you still go to TWeb? That place seems dead. I haven't posted there in a while since that huge star formation thread was alive.
Yes, I am still very active there. But I don't have much to say about cosmology in that forum; it would tend to be a bit over the head of nearly all contributors. The issues there are a bit more basic. I like TWEB, and am generally appreciated by the management. I get a bit more explicitly theological; and when discussing science topics I tend to focus on the evolution related matters.

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Eta_Carinae
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Message 33 of 40 (183337)
02-05-2005 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Sylas
02-05-2005 8:07 PM


Re: TWEB
I see Safarti has quit there. I got him to leave the star formation thread after 2 posts I believe. He made a basic blunder and ran off.

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Buzsaw
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Message 34 of 40 (183512)
02-06-2005 1:31 PM


I came upon this statement, critical to BB theory, accompanied by a list of some 265 relatively prestigious signers to it's veracity, some of which are educational institutions. Some observations in the statement concerning the factor of funding relative to thought control were, imo, interesting and telling.
http//Open Letter on Cosmology

In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

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Sylas
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Message 35 of 40 (183517)
02-06-2005 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Buzsaw
02-06-2005 1:31 PM


The statement you quote is cited in first message of my the new thread. See Message 1. The major issue they have is funding. Frankly, many of the signers don't deserve a penny. But let's consider them on a case by case basis in the new thread. Funding must be decided case by case, not by open slather to anyone with a novel criticism. But not in this thread please; it is not relevant here.
Cheers -- Sylas

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Eta_Carinae
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Message 36 of 40 (183520)
02-06-2005 1:56 PM


About the list.
About 5 or 6 people on the list are the only ones who carry any clout on this issue. The rest might as well be dragged out of the local pub.
The problem even with the 5 or 6 (and one of them died recently) is that they were in the fight and LOST.
Halton Arp is probably the standard bearer for these folks. He got plent of telescope time and resources for years. It was determined by consensus of the community that his case was falsified. He cannot accept this and has become a pariah.
What was the community to do? He wanted basically to use a huge fraction of the comminities resources for projects that the rest of the astronomy/astrophysics community deemed foolish. Other work was deemed to be more fruitful and worthwhile.
In summary, this is a list of the people who lost and have sour grapes + a bunch of cranks and people who have no business determining the future of astrophysical research.
Plasma comsology - falsified or contrived
Steady State - falsified or in its new guises relies upon extreme contrivances and hypotheticals
Tired Light - gimme a break, falsified with 30 seconds of thought

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Buzsaw
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Message 37 of 40 (183563)
02-06-2005 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Eta_Carinae
02-06-2005 1:56 PM


Re: About the list.
About 5 or 6 people on the list are the only ones who carry any clout on this issue. The rest might as well be dragged out of the local pub.
Hi Eta. About 215 on the list are listed as scientists and engineers. Likely you're not apprised as to the backgrounds of many of these and for sure I'm not. However, scientists and engineers are'nt who we find in our local pubs here in upstate NY. Must be your people are sophisticated bibbers.

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Eta_Carinae
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Posts: 547
From: US
Joined: 11-15-2003


Message 38 of 40 (183569)
02-06-2005 5:02 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Buzsaw
02-06-2005 4:44 PM


Re: About the list.
My point was that the majority of that list haven't the requisiste in depth knowledge to be setting policy of the NOAO or the NSF.
An engineers take on this issue is as relevant as a plumbers IMO. And the engineers on that list are probably on it from a faith perspective.
We all want honesty and investigation in funadmental science. The problem is that the LOSERS here are for the most part exhibiting sour grapes. The rest of that list are either cranks (i.e. Lerner) or people jumping on the bandwagon because of their faith.
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AdminSylas
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Message 39 of 40 (183572)
02-06-2005 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Buzsaw
02-06-2005 4:44 PM


Re: About the list.
The list is off topic in this thread. There is another thread, Message 1, which is specifically devoted to names taken from this list and buzsaw's post.
Can you guys, both of you, please take discussion of this list to the appropriate thread? I'd really like to see some participation there. I'm posting this in admin mode, but since I am personally involved I'm not doing anything more official than flashing the badge. It's a request. No need to respond to this post either.
Thanks -- AdminSylas

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Buzsaw
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Message 40 of 40 (183587)
02-06-2005 7:29 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by AdminSylas
02-06-2005 5:05 PM


Re: About the list.
Will do, Sylas. My apologies for bringing up the link here. I didn't realize it was the same as yours until you said so since I went by the weblink address.
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