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Silent H Member (Idle past 5847 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
I have heard that the knowledge was accidentally not delivered, that it was purposely withheld, and regardless of either case the ship orders preceding this info showed knowledge (or expectation) of what was about to happen.
I kind of don't want to get into a huge debate on PH and FDR. If you have a good site to read I'll take a look. Perhaps some great info is out there and I just don't know about it. I am not a PH news junkie, so it is very possible I missed something important. I thought I had most of the relevant info... but I could be wrong! holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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TheLiteralist Inactive Member |
Oh no...I'm not into PH specifically, either. I didn't know if you were aware of THAT particular idea...that's all. PH is something I've not studied too much...just heard things here and there--I tend to swing with "the government did it" crowd on most issues...so I lean that way on this issue as well.
I also do not wish to spend days blathering about PH. Hah! No, indeed!
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aristarchus Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 31 Joined: |
"I was assuming that the poster was trying to get at if some of the odd events which occured within the BT were caused by anything other than regular weather/mechanical phenomena, including intervention by aliens/extre dimensional beings/etc."
Your assumption is correct. I should have made myself more clear.
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
barfly writes:
Do you believe Earth is now, or ever has been visited by life from other planets?No. Based on mathimatical probability, if x number of potential planets had advanced technology to visit earth, x=many millions of potential visits. I think a GREATER mystery remains to be solved about this universe. Do you believe that there was a conspiracy to assassinate JFK, RFK, or MLK? If yes, please specify which one(s). Not provable. I DO believe that there is a group of people who are similar to the illuminati conspiracy theories. These people are not knowingly evil or diabolical. They simply think that they know what is best for the world. They are politicians, financiers, and rich guys with a lot of clout. Notice how they profited from Iraq. Do you believe that Franklin Roosevelt knew that Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked, but kept the information secret in order to get the U.S. into WWII? Not enough info. I DO think that 9/11 happened awfully closely after the U.S. and Israel walked out of a conference in Africa. Expect a worse 9/11 in the future. Are there supernatural forces working in the Bermuda Tiangle? The bigger question? Are there supernatural forces at all? I say yes. They won't be easy to prove..would you want to be known if you were one of them? If you have any other out- of -the- mainstream theories, that I haven't mentioned, feel free to bring them up.
More creos are superstitious than are Evos. Evos in general are better educated. However...remember: "God? It's me...Ned!"
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sfs Member (Idle past 2561 days) Posts: 464 From: Cambridge, MA USA Joined: |
quote:Sorry, I was just having fun with the wording of your reply. The question was "Do you believe . . .?", and your reply was "I don't know". I assumed what you meant was, "I don't know whether FDR knew about PH", rather than your literal meaning, "I don't know whether I believe FDR knew about PH". As for me . . . I don't know whether aliens have visited Earth, but I have seen no evidence to suggest that they have. I don't know whether one or more assassinations were the result of a conspiracy; conspiracies happen all the time, after all. A wide-spread government conspiracy, on the other hand, I consider of such low probability that it can be neglected. Such conspiracies, at least successful ones (where success includes keeping the secret afterwards) don't happen all the time. I don't know whether anything funny is going on in the Bermuda Triangle, but again I have seen no evidence to suggest that there is. More precisely, the evidence that has been advanced on the subject is complete crap. I don't know whether FDR knew about Pearl Harbor in advance, but even without examining any evidence my assessment of the probability of him knowing is extremely low. Given what FDR knew and was concerned about at the time, permitting the Japanese attack makes no sense at all. So it would take strong evidence to convince me, and the actual evidence I've seen advanced has been very weak, and better explained by standard-issue stupidity and sloth.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3955 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
eh. whichever. i don't care much. my grandparents all managed to survive it and we were useful in it anyways.
though i don't think fdr was god like everyone else seems.
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TheLiteralist Inactive Member |
A wide-spread government conspiracy, on the other hand, I consider of such low probability that it can be neglected. Really? Why? What if the opposite is true? What did that banker fella say? Something like "Let me control the purse strings of a nation, and I care not who makes the laws!" Today we have the Federal Reserve System, and it is NOT Federal, but a privately owned company that controls ALL THE MONEY IN THE NATION. You probably think the government controls the Fed. I tend to think the Fed controls our government. Sounds looney, I know...but that's what I think.--TheLit This message has been edited by TheLiteralist, 03-26-2005 11:53 AM
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tsig Member (Idle past 2936 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: |
If it means what the user means it to, than it doesn't have no meaning. I don't see anything all that problematic about the meaning here. It seems to be something like "events that do not conform the rules that we ordinarily see operating in the physical world". Well it's nice for communication if both parties agree on the definition of the word.
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tsig Member (Idle past 2936 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: |
Sounds looney, I know. Yes, any proof.
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tsig Member (Idle past 2936 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: |
I understood that's what your comment could have meant. When I said the sentence had to be changed so that it had meaning, that could have included dropping the word supernatural. I was assuming that the poster was trying to get at if some of the odd events which occured within the BT were caused by anything other than regular weather/mechanical phenomena, including intervention by aliens/extre dimensional beings/etc. BT theories certainly include aliens, and they would definitely count as "natural" phenomena, just as yet unknown natural entities. OK. I guess a better qustion is why do we need BT'?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Privately owned ?
Well the Board of Governors seem to all be political appointees:
The seven members of the Board of Governors are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate to serve 14-year terms of office.
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TheLiteralist Inactive Member |
From the FRB: The twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks, which were established by Congress as the operating arms of the nation's central banking system, are organized much like private corporations--possibly leading to some confusion about "ownership." For example, the Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold, traded, or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year. Oh...I don't know, even the FED itself admits that it is set up LIKE a private corporation...just it's a not-for-profit corporation. Well those are the best kind, aren't they? Many a TV preacher has made a fortune running not-for-profit corporations.
As the nation's central bank, the Federal Reserve derives its authority from the U.S. Congress. Sounds good...like it's all under the thumb of our dear elected leaders. But the next sentence says:
It is considered an independent central bank because its decisions do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branch of government... Oh...so it has complete control over our money supply and answers to no one.
However, the Federal Reserve is subject to oversight by Congress, which periodically reviews its activities and can alter its responsibilities by statute. Also, the Federal Reserve must work within the framework of the overall objectives of economic and financial policy established by the government. Oh well, I feel better now...I'm sure Congress keeps these people in line...wouldn't want the people who control ALL THE MONEY IN THE NATION to get out of line. I wonder if the bankers are ever able to gently "persuade" politicians to never affect in any real way how the Fed operates. If *I* controlled all the money in the nation...or even just 1/12th of it...I could probably purchase a little influence somewhere.
...it does not receive funding appropriated by Congress... I should say not. If I understand correctly, the Fed generates (out of thin air) most of the money that Congress uses to run the nation...T-Bills, anyone? Just who did Congress borrow $6 Trillion from, anyways? Sound a little fantastic?
From the same page, a little further down: The Federal Reserve's income is derived primarily from the interest on U.S. government securities that it has acquired through open market operations. Course...we needn't worry about it taking a long time to pay back these loans because the Fed is so sweet...after all is said-n-done:
After paying its expenses, the Federal Reserve turns the rest of its earnings over to the U.S. Treasury. I know a lot of the banks I deal with try to give me back the interest I paid, too...Discover card pays me like .001% or something on all purchases. But then there is the funny way that lending works... The bank has you sign a note, right? Then they give you a check or increase your checking account, right? Sounds good, doesn't it? But wait, you're looking at it backwards. To you a checking account is an asset. But to the bank it is a liability. To you the note is a note payable, but to the bank it is a note recieveable--an asset to the bank. So let's go through it slowly again.
A bank is required to have a certain small-n-fractional ratio of reserve notes per checking deposits, but basically they create "money" out of thin air (I mean, really, they just print the notes anyways), but you pay back actual money PLUS interest. You think they are only making the interest, but they are making the interest AND the principal. I didn't believe it at first, either...but go through it real slow...you give them an ASSET (a "note recievable" to them). They credit your checking account or give you a check, but that costs them nothing--it's a bookkeeping entry that balances the books (an offsetting credit for the debit caused by getting the note from you). Then you PAY THEM BACK PLUS INTEREST. (If I'm missing something in all that I would REALLY like to know what it is). This message has been edited by TheLiteralist, 03-26-2005 03:13 PM
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TheLiteralist Inactive Member |
One more thing...being an appointee is not the same thing as being "subject to"...I for one think it is for a show to help further the illusion that it is a governmental agency. Their claim is to an agency that that is "independent within the government" (or something)...well, with that I cannot argue.
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Take it a step further. You give them $1000.00, they credit you with $1000.00, and then if I need a loan, they can loan me your $1000.00 also. The money becomes 3 times its original value....at least in theory.
If Gold is such an archaic barbarous relic, why do the central banks still own hundreds of tons of it? Because it is a backup plan in case of default.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Well everything you've written indicates that the Fed is not privately owned - it is a branch of the Government.
As for how loans work, you forget one thing - a loan is not a gift. It's borrowed money which has to be repaid. Your "$3000" is still only $1000 - you're just counting it 3 times. Think of it this way: You have lent $1000 to the bank They have lent it on to someone else The guy with the loan has $1000 cash and a $1000 debt. So he has a net zero. The same principle applies to the bank - it also has a net zero. So there is only a net $1000 in the whole scenario.
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