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What is an "Ex Believer", anyway?

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Message 16 of 123 (193603)
03-23-2005 3:57 AM

Reply to: Message 15 by Phat
03-23-2005 3:51 AM

Re: I'm not insane, I'm telling you! You've Got to believe me!

Can you explain why belief is not sufficient to be a "beleiver" ?

Unless you wish to argue that anyone who beleived in Christianity but did not "meet God" did not believe in Christianity it would seem that belief should be sufficient for the lavel "believer".

But if you do not mean to make that argument why should we adopt your terminology when it is all to easy to misinterpret as meaning that nobody who beleived in Christianity ever abandoned it ?

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Message 19 of 123 (193613)
03-23-2005 4:46 AM

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03-23-2005 3:59 AM

Re: I'm not insane, I'm telling you! You've Got to believe me!

Well can you make your mind up please ?

Are you saying that anyone who beleives in the Risen Christ can call themselves a believer in Christianity or is it necessary to have "met God" as well as you originally argued ?

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Message 56 of 123 (196634)
04-04-2005 8:32 AM

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03-30-2005 7:00 AM

Re: The definition of meeting God

In the hope of clearing up any misunderstanding:

1) You are claiming that Mr Jack and Mike Hagar's subjective experiences were different and inferior to the subjective experience that you call "meeting God".

2) Nobody else is suggesting that you did not have the subjective experience that you say you did or that it was not as impressive to you as you say. Where they disagree is on the nature of the objective nature of the reality behind it.

These are different things.

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