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jar
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Message 32 of 136 (168106)
12-14-2004 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by robinrohan
12-14-2004 12:12 PM


Way OT but...
RTFM
It is a hangover from the days of ttys and acoustic modems. Back then it was really nice to have as many shorthand ways of saying things as we could find.
Many still get used. I had a habit over the years of naming program attempts that didn't quite work with an NDG extension. That way others that came across the code understood intuitively that it was no damn good.
While we are off topic is there anyone else here who had to interface with a computer over a genuine teletype and acoustic modem?

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Message 34 of 136 (168108)
12-14-2004 12:24 PM
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12-14-2004 12:23 PM


Re: Way OT but...
The one that roars?

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Message 62 of 136 (168329)
12-15-2004 12:04 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by robinrohan
12-14-2004 11:51 PM


Well, life exists. And there is ample evidence that non-life was around before there was life.
So life came from non-life. The issue is how that happened. It could have been through natural means. Or it could have been through some GOD turning directly turning dust (non-living matter) into living matter. Our it could have been through a GOD creating a universe where life developed from non-life.

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Message 67 of 136 (168352)
12-15-2004 12:50 AM
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12-15-2004 12:45 AM


That seems more probable--a like thing coming from a like thing.
That only moves the issue back one step. Where ever life came from it at some time came from non-life. Whether it was here, or some other world, or a planet far far away, life originated.
However, as you have stated, that has nothing to do with evolution or the Theory of Evolution.

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Message 70 of 136 (168356)
12-15-2004 12:55 AM
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12-15-2004 12:52 AM


But everyone has been answering your question. We do not KNOW how life originated. But it did come from non-life unless you can suggest some other source.
And once again, that has NOTHING to do with the topic. Please try to stay on topic.

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Message 72 of 136 (168361)
12-15-2004 1:00 AM
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12-15-2004 12:58 AM


Again, that simply pushes the issue back further.
And this is off topic.
I will not respond further on the origin of life in this thread.
This message has been edited by jar, 12-15-2004 01:02 AM

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Message 133 of 136 (196670)
04-04-2005 12:28 PM
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04-04-2005 12:02 PM


I would like to kinda {dis}agree.
Your average windows procedure is nothing but a huge 'switch' statement, designed to handle all possible events. Unlike the evolutionary process, the OS knows beforehand all possible events that may occur and is designed to act on each eventuality. The process is static, not dynamic like evolution.
The difference is IMHO far greater than that. A computer program if well written is designed to handle errors gracefully, but ONLY those errors or problems that have been forseen. As EVERY programmer knows, lusers will be able to find errors and create exceptions far beyond anything the programmers imagined.
Not only is the program static, it is limited in just how well it handles new conditions by the imagination of the designer.
The combination of Random Mutations filtered through Natural Selection has exactly the opposite characteristics. It is totally unbounded and the product is determined not by preplanning but by the errors that happen. As conditions change (which is the functional equivalent of luser actions) evolution reaches into its bag of mutations to find one that might satisfy the new conditions.
IMHO this is the big difference, computer programs are driven by preplanning while life is driven by posthoc patching.

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