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Author Topic:   SIMPLE Astronomical Evidence Supports the Bible
jar
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Message 3 of 197 (199113)
04-13-2005 11:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by ptolemy
04-13-2005 9:13 PM


I'm sorry but there is not word of sense in your whole post.
As a Christian, I can honestly say that it is nothing but pure gibberish. It is filled with unsupported assumptions and pronouncements but nothing else.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 11 of 197 (199305)
04-14-2005 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by moronman
04-14-2005 12:29 PM


Opinions?
SVr5 is better.

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jar
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Message 15 of 197 (199325)
04-14-2005 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by moronman
04-14-2005 12:54 PM


The button is on the lower right
between edit and peek.
The one at the lower left is for general replies not for responses to a given post.

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jar
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Message 17 of 197 (199336)
04-14-2005 1:34 PM
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04-14-2005 1:28 PM


Re: The button is on the lower right
And this time it worked. Praise Be To GOD!

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jar
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Message 36 of 197 (199671)
04-15-2005 8:35 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by ptolemy
04-15-2005 7:45 PM


I know you think you're saying something
but so far, none of us have been able to get a glimmer of what it is.
Can we try this. Let's try starting with basics.
In twenty-five words or less, state what the First Principle is.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 43 of 197 (199693)
04-15-2005 11:25 PM
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04-15-2005 10:40 PM


Re: opaque arche
I apologize to Jar and all readers. What I should have said is that I would expect some reason why it is gibberish, since I am presenting an exegesis of the scriptures.
No apology is neccessary but clarity would help.
Once again, to try to get some discussion started, can you in 25 words or less explain what you think the First Principle is? Unless you can explain that one thing in a manner that any of us can understand, everything else is meaningless.

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Message 51 of 197 (199763)
04-16-2005 1:44 PM
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04-16-2005 2:25 AM


Re: I know you think you're saying something
Thank you for your reply but I don't have any more idea of what you're trying to say now than I had before.
Let's try again. In twenty-five words or less, "What is the First Principle"?

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jar
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Message 54 of 197 (199779)
04-16-2005 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Phat
04-16-2005 2:45 PM


Let's talk about this for a moment.
Most of the Books we now consider to be Apocryphal were considered as Scriptural at the time Jesus lived and for hundreds of years afterwards. In fact, there were hundreds of books that were considered as divinely inspired and that was part of the problem.
Remember, at the time we are speaking about, reproducing written documents was an arduous task. Everything was copied by hand, checked, and rechecked. A mistake on one page might mean throwing the whole thing out and starting over. In addition, materials, particularly paper or paper substitutes were a very scarce commodity and scribes, nearly as scarce.
The result was a near triage system of resource allocation. Much material was simply dropped from scripture not because it lacked merit, but that the resources available demanded something had to go.
If we look at the final product, the Bible, we find that many, many of the books we now consider apocryphal were in fact quoted in what we today see as the New Testament. I, II and II Enoch, the Gospel of Thomas, the Acts of John and Acts of Peter, the Book of Jubilees and the Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs, Life of Adam and Eve (parts one and two) are all referenced in the NT.
We need to remember that more than just Inspiration determined the content of the Bible, there was also the practical demands of time and resources.

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jar
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Message 72 of 197 (199961)
04-17-2005 6:12 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by arachnophilia
04-17-2005 6:02 PM


You are both welcome to the BS Meter but ...
please download it and link to one of your sites. Bandwidth, you know, is not like Stupidity. It does have limits.
But back towards the subject:
I would go a step further. The Bible is not an anthology, but rather an anthology of anthologies. It is not just a collection of tales, but rather a collection of collections. In addition, it often does not show either the Author or Origin and the stories are not always laid out as seperate chapters but instead often incorporated into other chapters without designation, attribution or even segmentation.

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jar
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Message 80 of 197 (200115)
04-18-2005 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Phat
04-18-2005 12:35 PM


Versions be important
Actually, almost all of the translations except the newer highly redacted versions that have tried to revise what is said to get around some of the impossibilities use the term firmament. It's only the newer ones like the NIV that change the wording to try to work around the obvious problems.

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jar
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Message 83 of 197 (200166)
04-18-2005 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by ptolemy
04-18-2005 2:04 PM


Man I sure hope you're not teaching young kids this stuff,
Please:

What is the First Principle???

You've been asked time and time again for this one piece of information.
Frankly, I don't think you have a clue what you are saying or trying to say but are simply blathering, spewing out an endless stream of nonsense.
So once again:

In 25 words or less;


"What is the First Principle???"


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jar
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Message 197 of 197 (219587)
06-25-2005 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by d_yankee
06-25-2005 4:32 PM


Re: I'm sorry but there is not word of sense in your whole post.
I'm sorry, but as a Christian, I can honestly say that it is nothing but pure gibberish. It is filled with unsupported assumptions and pronouncements but nothing else.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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