Organized Religion & personal Spirituality

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It is my opinion the problem with western society, is this notion of "separation of church and state." This has turned into the situation where religion adjusts to the state, instead of vice versa. This is why Islamic states do not favor this arrangement of separation. Islam is a way of life, as the quote above states. It encompasses all, including state affairs. I believe Iraq democracy will initially start western but move to an Islamic state. We can live in peace together.

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As an American woman, I flatly reject the notion that I would be better off under an Islamic state.Can you tell me how, under an Islamic government, I would have more personal freedom and control over my life, than I do now?

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The porn again liberals are wrong because your P.C. relativistic live and let live philosophy will allow the world to become worse and worse.

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Yeah, it would really suck if everybody just lived their own lives they way they wanted to without trying to force everyone else to live by their rules.It really would be better if everybody was forced to think exactly the same things and do exactly the same things.

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That would not be the point of an Islamic "government" as you put it. The point is to have a way of life that supports and encourages the chosen faith,

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But Islam is not my chosen faith.I don't have a chosen faith at all, so being under an Islamic government would, by definition, undermine my chosen non-faith, my chosen way of life....so, less freedom for me.

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and not have the freedoms of infidels tempt the faithful with drugs, porn, promoting homosexuality, and other behaviour forbidden by the Quaran.

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...so, you are saying that I would be less free under an Islamic state, then, correct?I would not be free to enjoy a glass of wine with dinner, or view a museum exhibit of Botticelli's work, for example, correct?

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An Islamic woman is more concerned about how Allah thinks of her behaviour than self-centered desires.

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But I am not an Islamic woman....and why do there seem to be so many different people claiming to speak for Allah with regards to how women should behave?Which one is correct?

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Then apply them consistently.

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We do the best we can to do just that.

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Respect for IANAT was not demonstrated and what did you do? Bugger all. Twiddled your thimbs.

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We are not talking about IANAT right now. I do not remember anyone calling IANAT and idiot, yet I do remember you doing that to Dan. You can even see it for yourself, and so can everyone else.We are talking about your behavior, contracycle.Do not make personal attacks or face a 24 hour suspension of posting privileges.

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As I told you, you don't have sufficient credibility to impose such "discipline".

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That is your opinion.However, it is also true that you called Dan an "idiot", which is a obvious personal attack and a violation of rule #3, which YOU agreed to abide by when you signed up at EvC.

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All you have is power, like any bully. You may do what you wish, as I have no power.

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Of course you have power.You have the power to stop violating rule #3.This is about YOU contracycle, not anyone else. Even if the moderators were completely unfair to everyone else, it would still be the case, fo all to see, that you violated rule #3 by calling Dan an idiot.Now, I am uninterested in any more discussion of this.Please abide by the rules.This message has been edited by schrafinator, 04-15-2005 07:19 AM

I read it through at least 6 times and I don't understand it's connection with your post, either.It seems that contra cannot handle it when people disagree with him, or agree with him.