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nator
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Message 16 of 34 (199195)
04-14-2005 9:00 AM
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04-13-2005 7:47 PM


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Then give some examples that you consider to be "left wing".
Somone else mentioned Noam Chomsky, he would be a good choice.
How about Ralph Neas from People for the American Way?
Or Kim Gandy, president of the National Organization for Women, or Eleanor Smeal, president of the Feminist Majority Foundation?
There's also Barry Lynn, director of Americans United for the Separation of Church and State.
How often do we ever see anyone from Organized labor? Or from human rights organizations?
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Monk
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Message 17 of 34 (199246)
04-14-2005 10:35 AM
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04-14-2005 8:45 AM


How far to the left is left?
C'mon, you don't think Paul Begala and James Carville represent liberal viewpoints?

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Message 18 of 34 (199278)
04-14-2005 11:47 AM
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04-14-2005 10:35 AM


Re: How far to the left is left?
I have an idea. I'm not sure what a "liberal" is, either. I subscribe to the American weekly magazine The Nation; they claim to be liberal, and I use this magazine to judge what is liberal and what is not. Why don't you start reading The Nation? Then compare what you read in those articles with the articles in The New York Times and CNN and whatever else interests you, and see if you can see the same analyses, ideas, and opinions promoted in a consistent fashion.

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Monk
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Message 19 of 34 (199286)
04-14-2005 12:09 PM
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04-14-2005 11:47 AM


Re: How far to the left is left?
Chiroptera writes:
The Nation; they claim to be liberal, and I use this magazine to judge what is liberal and what is not. Why don't you start reading The Nation?
Ok, maybe I will, and you might check out these "conservative" sources Washington Post and National Review.
BTW, am I the only conservative on this board?

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jar
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Message 20 of 34 (199288)
04-14-2005 12:12 PM
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04-14-2005 12:09 PM


Only conservative?
No, I consider myself a conservative, but also that 99.999999999% of those who today consider themselves to be conservatives as little more than fascists.

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Monk
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Message 21 of 34 (199291)
04-14-2005 12:19 PM
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04-14-2005 12:12 PM


Re: Only conservative?
ooh.. fascism is harsh. That's like saying 99.999999999% of liberals are communists.
Fascism and communism are opposite far extremes. IMO most folks fall somewhere in between.

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jar
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Message 22 of 34 (199295)
04-14-2005 12:23 PM
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04-14-2005 12:19 PM


Re: Only conservative?
Yup. Sure is harsh. But I believe today's conservatives have truly lost their way and gone much too far to the right.

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Tal
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Message 23 of 34 (199347)
04-14-2005 2:12 PM


Liberal's aren't communists? I thought they both liked to redistribute wealth from the producers to the non-producers?
Hmmm..
Conservative here.
My short definition of a conservative:
Low Taxes
Smaller Goverment
Not starving a handicapped citizen to death
Doesn't give a hoot about giving dolphins feeding tubes to keep them alive
Don't like excessive gun laws
Pro life (anti abortion)
Pro death penalty (if you kill somebody we'll kill you back)
Freedom of Religion
*EDIT*
Almost forgot, we like to kick the terrorists collective ass where we find them
Small defition of liberal:
Big Goverment (they like it when citizens depend on them...gives them power)
High Taxes
Like to starve handicapped citizens to death
Zealous outpouring of love and emotion over dolphins that need feeding tubes to stay alive.
Doesn't want anyone to have a gun (of course the bad guys will have them)
Pro Abortion (Lets kill the innocent)
Anti Death Penalty (Lets cut the guilty some slack)
Remove religion from pretty much everything
*EDIT* Terrorists...lets try and understand them (and please DON'T OFFEND their religion *although we'll offend christains as we damn well please on US soil*)
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Message 24 of 34 (199351)
04-14-2005 2:41 PM
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04-14-2005 2:12 PM


Tal's message, and what lead up to it, only marginly on topic
People, let's try to keep things focused on what the news media is doing.
Tal - Would you be interested in bringing your conservative/liberal opinions to a new topic. I would suggest a calmer behavior.
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JustinC
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Message 25 of 34 (199353)
04-14-2005 3:11 PM


I actually think CNN does a good job of putting out "objective" (not left or right leaning) news. The only show that had people touting the party line was "Crossfire" and that is off the air. I even respect their conservatives for being intellectually honest. For instance, Lou Dobbs immediately came out against the Social Security Reform and the bankrupt Budget proposal. For a rundown of their primetime pundits or anchors:
Judy Woodruff- probably liberal but doesn't really commentate.
Lou Dobbs-Conservative, but not a neocon and doesn't spit out the latest talking points
Wolf Blitzer- more straight news than commentary
Aaron Brown- Same as above, seems liberal though.
Larry King- idiot, but not political
Usually when issues are discussed they have most views represented. I do understand the sentiment that what most people (not those here) would consider extreme liberals aren't represented, but I think that's more indicative of the political atmosphere of the country than anything else. The majority of the people I know don't even know who Noam Chomsky, and probably wouldn't agree with most of what he says.
Is the viewpoint, i.e. extreme liberalism, so widespread that it should always be included in a news programs geared towards a national audience? I really don't know, if anyone has figures I'd like to see them.

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JustinC
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Message 26 of 34 (199355)
04-14-2005 3:20 PM


Also compare CNN's programs with Fox's.
Vestor- idiot Conservative hack
Gibson- Conservative Hack
Cavuto- Conservative Hack
O'Reilly- Conservative Hack
Hannity and Colmes- Ultra Conservative Hack Programming. Frequent guests include Micheal Reagan and Oliver North.
Greta- not political
This is what I would consider a conservative station. CNN doesn't even come close to matching up with this circus.
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contracycle
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Message 27 of 34 (199519)
04-15-2005 7:21 AM
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04-14-2005 2:12 PM


quote:
Liberal's aren't communists? I thought they both liked to redistribute wealth from the producers to the non-producers?
Nah thats capitalism mate.

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nator
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Message 28 of 34 (199541)
04-15-2005 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Monk
04-14-2005 10:35 AM


Re: How far to the left is left?
quote:
C'mon, you don't think Paul Begala and James Carville represent liberal viewpoints?
Don't confuse political hacks who flamboyantly cheerlead for the Democratic party as being representative of a liberal viewpoint.
The Democrats as a party haven't had much in the way of a liberal viewpoint for a while now. They are more like Nixon-era republicans.

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nator
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Message 29 of 34 (199546)
04-15-2005 9:46 AM
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04-14-2005 12:09 PM


Re: How far to the left is left?
You might also want to read Mother Jones, and Ms.

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nator
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Message 30 of 34 (199550)
04-15-2005 9:57 AM
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04-14-2005 3:11 PM


quote:
I do understand the sentiment that what most people (not those here) would consider extreme liberals aren't represented,
But the extreme right wing views often are.
I have seen Jerry Fallwell on CNN more than once.
quote:
but I think that's more indicative of the political atmosphere of the country than anything else.
...and where do most people in the country get their political news from? Where do they hear ideas being batted around?
It's a feedback loop.
quote:
The majority of the people I know don't even know who Noam Chomsky, and probably wouldn't agree with most of what he says.
Everybody I know knows who Fallwell is, and disagrees with everything he says, but he still gets on TV news, and fairly frequently, and is treated like he isn't a crazy religious extremist.
Why don't they know who Chomsky is, and the fact that they probably wouldn't agree with him is the perfect reason to put him on the TV, and often.
...that is, if TV journalism is supposed to have any sort of responsibility to the public to present many viewpoints and spurring thought, discussion, and debate of the issues facing our world and isn't simply in the business of maintaining the status quo, not offending those in power, and making money for their stock holders.

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