Hi allI just joined this forum and this is my very first post. I was wondering that how sure one is about the authenticity of Dead Sea Scrolls? What if it is an hoax?

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"An uninformed person cannot conceptualize the essence of knowledge nor its sublimity. One who fails to conceptualize something, its significance will never become rooted in the heart."

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At this point, it is very certain that the DDS are authentic. They used archelogical, palenography, and carbon 14 dating.

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hamm, but there is a problem, about which perhaps you may not be aware.

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the greatest problem that confronts the Judeo-Christian scholars in dating these caves is the existence of Arabic fragments which were found in the same cave of Wadi Murraba’at. Of these Arabic fragments, one has a clear Hijrah dating 327 A.H. (938 C.E.) This fragment reads:

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English translation of the above quoted one of the fragments is cited below in purple text.

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In the name of Allaah Most Gracious Most Merciful

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I have collected from the inheritors of Abu Ghazzan the taxes that were due on the Sunan property, totaling one-third and one-eighth of one Dinar for the year seven and twenty and three hundred (327 A.H. {938 C.E.}) Written by Ibrahim bin Hammaz in the month of Rabi al-Awwal of this same year, and I have placed my faith in Allaah.

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{Source: R. H. Eiseman and J.M. Robinson, A Facsimile Edition of the Dead Sea Scrolls, Biblical Archaeology Society, Washington, DC, 1991, Vol. 1, plate No. 294. For more samples please refer to plates Numbers 643-648}
How this can be explained?P.S.
I am sorry I can make the Arabic text appear, and being new, I don't know how? I tried to paste it, which words almost always.This message has been edited by Checkmate, 04-25-2005 09:09 AM

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"An uninformed person cannot conceptualize the essence of knowledge nor its sublimity. One who fails to conceptualize something, its significance will never become rooted in the heart."

The source I already posted in my post above in the bottom. Here that is again:{Source: R. H. Eiseman and J.M. Robinson, A Facsimile Edition of the Dead Sea Scrolls, Biblical Archaeology Society, Washington, DC, 1991, Vol. 1, plate No. 294. For more samples please refer to plates Numbers 643-648}

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"An uninformed person cannot conceptualize the essence of knowledge nor its sublimity. One who fails to conceptualize something, its significance will never become rooted in the heart."

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The only place I can find that quote in that source is an fundamentalist
islamic site, and not from the source. All other references I can find to that source does not have those references in it.
Do you have a link that discusses it that is NOT an fundamentalist islamic web site?

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HiThere is no such thing as "fundamentalist" or "fundamentalism" in Islaam or among Muslims. This is a Christian thing, which you have projected on the Islaamic website as your diversionary tactics. Perhaps, you are a fundi-Christian and are in denial. You have been given the source or reference, therefore, what was or is needed from you to check the source/reference to verify the authenticity of claim and then either admit it or reject it by proving otherwise.This proves that you are also alien to debate etiquettes. Again the source/reference is as follows: {Source: R. H. Eiseman and J.M. Robinson, A Facsimile Edition of the Dead Sea Scrolls, Biblical Archaeology Society, Washington, DC, 1991, Vol. 1, plate No. 294. For more samples please refer to plates Numbers 643-648} Also try to augment your knowledge on the subject matters you like to speak or respond. Another suggested reading is:*The Dead Sea Scrolls Deception
By Michael Baigent & Richard Leigh
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1991 NY USA*** I have read this book and I posses it, mind you that I have not quoted anything from this book yet. It will shock your imagination about Dead Sea Scrolls.It is actually either a fundi-Jewish or fundi-Christian source, either way; if you have anything worthy to add then please do. Otherwise I will ignore your posts on this subject matters.CheckmateThis message has been edited by Checkmate, 04-27-2005 12:07 PM

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"An uninformed person cannot conceptualize the essence of knowledge nor its sublimity. One who fails to conceptualize something, its significance will never become rooted in the heart."

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Just a question, have you checked out this reference yourself or are you relying on what others say ?
If the latter please list your sources. In general, it is best to be open about the use of secondary sources.

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HiYes, I have verified the sources and much more. In fact, I do have the copies and/or images as well. Anyone can get this information from:Biblical Archaeology Society, Washington, DC,Reference:
1991, Vol. 1, plate No. 294. For more samples please refer to plates Numbers 643-648}

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"An uninformed person cannot conceptualize the essence of knowledge nor its sublimity. One who fails to conceptualize something, its significance will never become rooted in the heart."

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Hi, Cm, I haven`t access to the Facsimile edition (1991) but the DDS Uncovered--Eisenmann and Wise (1992) mentions the Facsimile edition in passing but contains no reference to Arabic material. Neither does the DSS--Wise, Abegg, Cook(1996) although there is a brief mention--'Ancient writings were also found in caves near the Wadi Murabba`at and the Wadi Baliyeh and in the ruins of Masada. Except for the Masada texts, the other discoveries came from times and milieus different from those at of the Qumran texts. Whether the Arabic text was left in the deposit at a later time, or was contemporaneous with the Bible texts is not countenanced. Maybe another Christian plot, huh?
Re Whether fundamentalism is understood solely as a Christian concept would depend on your world-view. I think most cultures would accept fundies today as referring to groups adhering to the literalism of their Holy Book, and that would include Iran under the Ayatollahs, the Taliban, Wahabbism for openers. Unless YOU are in denial.

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If I were you, I would contact the Musuem, where the plates do exist as evidence. So far, I have not see anyone has contacted or visited the Musuem.Regarding Ayatollahs and the Taliban, it is more political than religious issue. We do demonize these people because we have an agenda and we can reap some benefits out of that, beside our ulterios movtives against Islaam. I would not further our dialogue on political issues.Regarding "Wahabbism" it is same as the other two, but I like you to define "Wahabbism" and please answer the folllowing questions:1. What is Wahabbism?2. What its teachings are?3. What is wrong in those teachings, and why it is wrong?4. Wahabbism is based on what source, who first tossed this term?5. How the "Wahabbism" if existed is a fundi alleged sect?Points to be noted:I will not accept any link or copy and paste from other websites. I need hardcore facts as answers. If you will use the links or CAP from other websites, I would know that. All I want is brief and to the point answers, not pages after pages to overwhelm me to sift out a worthy point out of absurd jargon.Regards
Checkmate

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"An uninformed person cannot conceptualize the essence of knowledge nor its sublimity. One who fails to conceptualize something, its significance will never become rooted in the heart."

The website ISLAM IS THE ONLY SOLUTION has the most accurate and most authentic Islaamic information that an Islaamic website can offer. Another reason for me using that website is, it topics and refuations on the subject matters, which have hardly been touched or explored by other Islaamic wesbites. I am as much affiliated with that website as much Christrians here who use website "answering-islam" to attack Islaam or spread lies about Islaam.But the difference between them and me is that they are absolutely ingorant of Islaam and I am not, They use of website "answering-islam" blindly. While mine is, knowing with certianty that I am using 100% accurate souces. It also gives me instant answers for many subject matters to use as source.I am not sure why we are bashing the messenger, this is what I have been repeatedly told in this forum by "Admin Jar."

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I don't see you using hardcore facts. Your reliance on an islamic web site for your information is showing you are using a double standard.

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What is required from you to prove me conclusively wrong, rather keep repeating about my sources. The only thing that is bothering you is my post that has shattered your myth about "Dead Sea Scrolls. However, you have conveniently ignored my other source of reference about the book "The Dead Sea Scroll Deception." why you didn't check that?You just can't be cocky anymore in the presence of these proofs that impeach Jews and Christians' claims.

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"An uninformed person cannot conceptualize the essence of knowledge nor its sublimity. One who fails to conceptualize something, its significance will never become rooted in the heart."

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Hi, Cm, let`s take fundamentalism and Wahabbism to a separate thread.

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I have no desire to discuss anything but the so-called "Wahabbism", as I have expressed earlier. Perhaps, it may be a deciding facotr once we finish discussing so-called "Wahabbism."Let me know about the thread, once you start it about "Wahabbism", however, I would still prefer to have the answers about the "Wahabbism", which I have already asked earlier. This message has been edited by AdminJar, 04-30-2005 11:46 AM

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"An uninformed person cannot conceptualize the essence of knowledge nor its sublimity. One who fails to conceptualize something, its significance will never become rooted in the heart."

Why I can't post on Faith and Belief thread. I was told that once the thread is closed, I will be able to post in Faith and Belief section? The thread about "eye witness accounts" has already been closed several days ago. But as to today I am getting the message you have no posting priveleges there.Checkmate

Why I can't post on Faith and Belief thread. I was told that once the thread is closed, I will be able to post in Faith and Belief section? The thread about "eye witness accounts" has already been closed several days ago. But as to today I am getting the message you have no posting priveleges there.Checkmate