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Minnemooseus
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Message 1 of 7 (15934)
08-22-2002 2:27 PM


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The title of this topic was intended to be Moderated "Great Debates". Part of the title didn't make it when I posted it. Only the great and wonderful and all powerful ultimate administrator can fix this.
Signed: Weak flunky associate administrator Adminnemooseus
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Judging from the hostle blather being exchanged between the respective parties, I am under the impression that it is time for one or more moderated "Great Debates", to be held between:
SLPx and John Paul
and/or
SLPx and Fred Williams
Moose (sometimes known as Adminnemooseus)
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Message 2 of 7 (15938)
08-22-2002 3:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Minnemooseus
08-22-2002 2:27 PM


Good idea! The forum guidelines should serve as far as conduct of the participants, but the debate format must be defined.
If willing participants for a Great Debate are available now, then it is suggested that the format be alternating posts by the two participants with comments by the moderator, if any, after each pair of posts. No one else should post to the thread, so comments on the debate should be posted to a parallel thread.
Adminnemooseus will have to serve as moderator in the near term as the EvC Forum Administrator has insufficient time at present.
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Minnemooseus
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Message 3 of 7 (15939)
08-22-2002 4:29 PM
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08-22-2002 3:58 PM


Quote from our (local) mighty leader:
quote:
If willing participants for a Great Debate are available now, then it is suggested that the format be alternating posts by the two participants with comments by the moderator, if any, after each pair of posts. No one else should post to the thread, so comments on the debate should be posted to a parallel thread.
The above sounds good to me, but we need to fill out the procedural details. I'm certainly open to suggestions from any and all, and especially from the proposed debating parties.
Ideas for topic(s)?
I have no real experience as such moderator, so maybe the parallel discussion thread could include debate on form of moderation.
The one idea I add now, is that the participents should carfully prepare their statements off line, and post them when ready. There should be NO editing after the message is posted, no matter how trivial the reason (can the edit function be disabled for only an individual topic?).
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Message 4 of 7 (18138)
09-24-2002 11:29 AM


I can understand why nobody is interested in partaking in a formal debate. It would take a lot of work to do it right, and it's just not worth the effort.
I know that I stayed out of the evcformum.net discussions for quite a while, because in it's early days, it seemed too formal for my tastes.
What has now occured to me is: While not bothering to go to great extremes on structure and moderation, would it be interesting to have some "one individual" to "one individual" discussion/debate? Anyone want to challenge anyone else to a "game" of one on one?
Now a side comment:
Percy (aka Admin) is exploring bringing on two or more moderators (to have admin status), from the creation side. I don't know if he has yet contacted the candidates.
As I see it, as things are currently running, the volume of messages at evcform.net is too great for Admin and Adminnemooseus to effectively monitor. Admin has been busy doing other things in real life, and Adminnemooseus is slow in both mind and internet connection.
I here suggest that the topic originators strive to take a greater role in guiding the topic. If it goes off topic, try to remind the participents of the intended theme.
If anyone wishes to contact someone with admin status:
admin@
mnmoose@lakenet.com
Lastly, I once again urge all to take it easy on the use of quotes. It is seeming that many topics are ending up being many lines of quotes, and far fewer lines of new input.
Adminnemooseus
Added by edit: Another problem I see, is ambigious titles being given to new topics, with perhaps also this being carried over into the initial message. Please try to clearly define what you intend the topic to be.
As far as ambigious titles, I know I've been guilty of it myself. Quite a while back I started "Back to the Fundimentals". In hindsite, I wish I'd titled it "Back to the Geology Fundimentals". Percy (aka Admin) has informed me that it is difficult to change titles after the fact.
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Message 5 of 7 (18166)
09-24-2002 7:33 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Minnemooseus
09-24-2002 11:29 AM


I would have to wonder how practicable a formal debate would be. John Paul appears to have been absent for quite some time and Fred Williams appears to be enjoying the longest weekend absence in history. Perhaps one of the more currently active creationists such as Tranquility Base or Peter Borger.

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Message 6 of 7 (18197)
09-25-2002 12:43 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Minnemooseus
09-24-2002 11:29 AM


--In my opinion, a formal debate would be highly interesting as either a participant or even-handedly contend in a moderative authority.
--My only discrepancy would be the topic of choice. In such an environment, It would have to be an interesting discussion to keep up with the likely sophistication and the 'depth of the delve' per se.
"Percy (aka Admin) is exploring bringing on two or more moderators (to have admin status), from the creation side. I don't know if he has yet contacted the candidates."
--I can remember Percy making this invitation what seems to be a year ago in my mind. I still feel slightly weary about partaking in the responsibility. The involvement status of a particular candidate would have to be sufficient, not just in quantity but quality. I am currently working my way back into responding in the forum after a relatively lengthy period of absence. The time was well used in the production of a scholarship oriented thesis which will continue to be developed and refined untill around early March.
*sigh*, I would still, of course, most enjoy taking part as an evcforum sage.
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Message 7 of 7 (21421)
11-02-2002 6:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Minnemooseus
08-22-2002 2:27 PM


--Thought this would be the best topic to give this little suggestion. An addition to the list of rules, or simply another note in one of the currently enforced rules such as #2, #3, or #7. That there be a bit of an enforcement on keeping the the maturity level in the more formally moderated & appropriate forums a little above zero and out of the negative zone. It sometimes happens, more often in some individuals cases, that maturity seems to hit rock bottom and it is simply unproductive and of increasingly great annoyance. Just my suggestion. Being it as a subjective property that we would be trying to control, it would be a bit flexible. It may suit well to have a small mention of something of this sort in the forum rules page. Its your forum percy, let it work the way you want it, despite this observation, your forum flows extremely well and above the rest in quality.
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